Metallica and Linkin park..!

[SuLFURIC_ACID]

i dont Get the Hell Why Metallica Fans Hate Linkin park?

I've been Defending LP On Many Other Forums Against Just Metallica Fans.

Which One Among These Have The Bigger Fanbase?
I've Seen LIVE IN TEXAS For Metallica It Isnt Rocking

But LP Made It...!

[maria_shinoda]

i met a metallica fan who hated LP and the reason he gave was that LP is very comercial and their music is not metal it's just a kind of pop...i don't share his opinion,but every one is free to think what they want...

[Rocksquirrel]

They aren't metal at all. The Metalheads are pissed off because people say they are metal. There are a HUGE difference in hardrock *how I would call LP earlier style* and metal music. The genre "New Metal" makes fun out of metal itself because it doesn't belong to it.

[Burlesque]

Some people just revolve their lives around music and has to down on other peoples music. I've had people actually judge me by the music I like. I used to go in chat rooms with my screen name on aol "LinkinPark r0xZ" and people would p/m me just to tell me how much they suck. And some just have nothing better to do than pick on someone.

[zeejay]

It's not just Metallica fans but mostly all rock fans hate it. I don't know. Maybe it's because they're so successful. Just look at the awards they earned in all 3 main albums!

[Rocksquirrel]

not really. It's more because they have so many teenie fans.

[Liquorice]

Not all Metallica fans hate Linkin Park. Where I live ppl don't really care a shit what music you like. I don't know where this is coming from, cos when I went to Linkin Park concert, I saw ppl that had been at Metallica, Marilyn Manson, Velvet Revolver, Damien Marley and The Wailers. Ppl here appreciate all kinds of music.

Ppl should stop being so bloody narrow-minded, and learn to appreciate all kinds of music and artists.

[NoFace]

not really. It's more because they have so many teenie fans.

Fucking spot on. Listen to what she said

[Liquorice]

Fucking spot on. Listen to what she said

I disagree. Not all LP fans are young. And where I come from Most Metallica fans like LP. And yep Metallica has teenie fans too.

[NoFace]

I disagree. Not all LP fans are young. And where I come from Most Metallica fans like LP. And yep Metallica has teenie fans too.

We're not talking about individuals, but the majority here. I know LP fans that are at their 50s but that doesn't change a fact that many of LP fans are teen fans who has just moved on from Backstreet Boys to a newer kind of music that is Linkin Park. Many fans said that LP opens the world of music to them, that means LP is the first serious band they listen to, hence the young fandom. I don't have anything against what people listened to before LP or whatsoever, but it has been proved through years that with that kind of fandom, Linkin Park fans are pretty teenie and sometimes bring up their teenie attitude which annoys a lot of people.

Yes, Metallica has teenie fans too, what kind of band doesn't, but not as many as Linkin Park does. Go to a Linkin Park concert and a Metallica concert and you'll see the difference.

[Liquorice]

We're not talking about individuals, but the majority here. I know LP fans that are at their 50s but that doesn't change a fact that many of LP fans are teen fans who has just moved on from Backstreet Boys to a newer kind of music that is Linkin Park. Many fans said that LP opens the world of music to them, that means LP is the first serious band they listen to, hence the young fandom. I don't have anything against what people listened to before LP or whatsoever, but it has been proved through years that with that kind of fandom, Linkin Park fans are pretty teenie and sometimes bring up their teenie attitude which annoys a lot of people.

Yes, Metallica has teenie fans too, what kind of band doesn't, but not as many as Linkin Park does. Go to a Linkin Park concert and a Metallica concert and you'll see the difference.

I was talking about the majority, where I live. And no, Linkin Park was NOT the first "serious" band we liked. AND yes I have been to a Metallica and Linkin Park concerts thanx. The crowd was pretty much the same, ages ranged from about 12 thru to 50's. And NO there was no teenie attitude at the Linkin Park concert I was at. Thanx.
Linkin Park fans that I know do NOT like music such as Backstreet Boys. Never have done. I am just speaking of what its like here.

[minuteman]

It's more because they have so many teenie fans.Linkin Park fans are pretty teenie and sometimes bring up their teenie attitude which annoys a lot of people. Exactly. The LPMB doesn't help their case, either. :rolleyes: This place is crawling with them.

[NoFace]

If we're talking about our very own experience then you're not the typical Linkin Park fan I know. I don't know what kind of Linkin Park fans you know and where they live, but at least from what I have read on this MB, many people said Linkin Park is their first band that brings them to the real music world, and yes, there used to be threads like "I like BSB, is that a problem" or "Did anyone like boyband?" in the Linkin Park and The Barrack forum.

And I found nothing wrong to listen to LP and BSB at the same time. Not like LP is some kind of classic/noble music anyway. They are mainstream, and their 'art' is not something super special. And I won't go again into this argument again because I already know how Linkin Park 'fans' will react to it.

[heyosnow]

i like both bands
i think metallica fans dont like lp because some media label lp as new metal(at least in two first albums), so this fans sometimes never listened lp because this stupids labels, they think "oh this never will be a metal, so i will hate them because they got one "white" rapper and this person doesn't match with metal, blablablablabla...)"
this could be a reason

[Liquorice]

If we're talking about our very own experience then you're not the typical Linkin Park fan I know. I don't know what kind of Linkin Park fans you know and where they live, but at least from what I have read on this MB, many people said Linkin Park is their first band that brings them to the real music world, and yes, there used to be threads like "I like BSB, is that a problem" or "Did anyone like boyband?" in the Linkin Park and The Barrack forum.

And I found nothing wrong to listen to LP and BSB at the same time. Not like LP is some kind of classic/noble music anyway. They are mainstream, and their 'art' is not something super special. And I won't go again into this argument again because I already know how Linkin Park 'fans' will react to it.

Lol. omfg. So I not a 'typical' fan. oh shit. So what. Like I said NOT all LP fans are young, those of us who are older where already into music before LP even came along. And I sorry I not a squealy teenie but someone who just appreciates good music.

[NoFace]

ah yes, the rapper thing too. I have heard more than one complaining like 'linkin park sans rap will be better'. whatever.

[NoFace]

Lol. omfg. So I not a 'typical' fan. oh shit. So what. Like I said NOT all LP fans are young, those of us who are older where already into music before LP even came along. And I sorry I not a squealy teenie but someone who just appreciates good music.

I know. I know there are many respectable LP fans, young and old. I personally know many old LP fans who are like mothers/fathers/teachers to me and they listen to a great range of music. But LP fans have a bad reputation, and that is not said by me only, but many people, and that bad name came from their teenie fans, which are like A LOT. Stop sounding so angry, I never try to attack you in person.

[Liquorice]

I know. I know there are many respectable LP fans, young and old. I personally know many old LP fans who are like mothers/fathers/teachers to me and they listen to a great range of music. But LP fans have a bad reputation, and that is not said by me only, but many people, and that bad name came from their teenie fans, which are like A LOT. Stop sounding so angry, I never try to attack you in person.

I not angry, you'd know if I was. I mean when I angry. I just saying what it like here. I honestly have not heard of us fans have a bad rep. But then where I come from nobody cares what you listen to. Ppl just accept you for you. And yep I listen to a range of different music, I'd get bored listening to the same shit all the time.

[heyosnow]

the young fans of lp grow up, now the "teenager" fans are with 20to up, the actual teenagers like fueled by ramen bands(read fall out boy, paramore, panic at disco and all this shit), and the youngest lp fans start like the band from mtm era, or older brothers etc.
but this actual teenagers bands will not least like lp, they will split in a max 2 years, and when this bands split hopefully lp will still a great band
some says which lp is a disposable band, but if lp was this they will not sell almost 50 milions, sould out concerts in europe, and the band actualy could be broken with the members in a flop bands or dead

[Original21]

We're not talking about individuals, but the majority here. I know LP fans that are at their 50s but that doesn't change a fact that many of LP fans are teen fans who has just moved on from Backstreet Boys to a newer kind of music that is Linkin Park. Many fans said that LP opens the world of music to them, that means LP is the first serious band they listen to, hence the young fandom. I don't have anything against what people listened to before LP or whatsoever, but it has been proved through years that with that kind of fandom, Linkin Park fans are pretty teenie and sometimes bring up their teenie attitude which annoys a lot of people.

Yes, Metallica has teenie fans too, what kind of band doesn't, but not as many as Linkin Park does. Go to a Linkin Park concert and a Metallica concert and you'll see the difference.

Spot on. This is why I hardly come on this forum anymore...threads such as "What is your favourite pic of Chester" just dont interest me!! And Liquorice, are you serious Linkin Park and Metallica fans are preety much the same at concerts....LOL!!!!

[bunny_bennoda2508]

haha It's just like me I'm a LP's fan = a rock fan so I always hate pop music, Dance or Korean music.....Sometimes I swear at them. :p
Anyway I hate that racialist theory.It's so much uncultured.
All is s*** and non sense.
We (and Metallica's fans or anyone)have to learn to respect other's taste of music.

[AmyLynette_91]

anyhting.. whatever.. LP still rocks.. maybe it is just them who r jealous of LP... im right! im sure.. they hated LP for no reason.... i guess so.. LP makes music no one can resist!

[LinkinPete]

Spot on. This is why I hardly come on this forum anymore...threads such as "What is your favourite pic of Chester" just dont interest me!! And Liquorice, are you serious Linkin Park and Metallica fans are preety much the same at concerts....LOL!!!!

Well, but isn´t kinda obvious if Metallica has older fans in general. If you compare how long Metallica and LP have exsisted to the ages of their fans, you´d figure that many Metallica fans have started liking them way back- as teenagers. Well, I can´t say I´d know much, but that comes to mind.

But that´s true also that to someone not knowing the band it might seem quite teenish to come here and see the first (and the longest) thread being the "fav. pic" threads. Dunno how is it with Metallica. But the music really is that matters.. well, but also it´s a fact that Metallica members aren´t that good looking either, lol:D (hope that´s allowed and I didn´t ruing my swerious post with this, hope you understand. It´s true too)


Also comes to mind that maby some Metallica fans think LP is trying to be like them or I mean just a metal band, and they really aren´t just about that. They never said they´re trying to be, but the opposite. But then ofcourse they´d disslike any other bands that aren´t metal or whatever.

[Suru80]

I like both LP and Metallica.
First off, Metallica fans are just jealous of LP because of their winning streak. Another thing is, LP has a better vocalist. Metallica were good, real good until albums like Load, Reload and St Anger were released. Metallica fans are living in the past and are hoping they will relive their glory days. We'll see if Rick Rubin can bring in some of his magic which I doubt!

[bunny_bennoda2508]

mmm.don't care much...:/
but when the Revolution comes...yeah Let's go and kill all LP's anti-fans :D :D :D

[CuRe]

Metallica fans dont like lp because lp is sooo sooooooft (in their opinion) and metallica sooo haaard and heavy! And soft music = bad music (in their opinion).

About the teenie fans. It's not LP's fault that they have these fans.....oh...yeah they are good looking, so they better make monsters out of themselve. :D

And one more thing..about the comment "LP opens the world of music to them" i said that too and i am NOT a teenie, do NOT listen to the backstreet boys. And LP is not the only band i listen to. And if it would be the FIRST serious band we listen too, what's the problem? there is always a band which is the first...someday you start listening to music, so the first band you listen to is bad? or what? i dont get it.

the world is really bad, honestly. ppl have sooo much prejudices and wrong attitudes. :rolleyes:

[Rocksquirrel]

Well, but isn´t kinda obvious if Metallica has older fans in general. If you compare how long Metallica and LP have exsisted to the ages of their fans, you´d figure that many Metallica fans have started liking them way back- as teenagers. Well, I can´t say I´d know much, but that comes to mind.


Most Metallica fans didn't start to be fans of them in the age of ten or thirteen. There are lyrical differences and in music. The songs of Metallica are very long and not even a bit comparable with Linkin Park's songs. Metal music is far more difficult to get into than rock. I would say at least that those "teenie" fans of Metallica are around 17-19 and older. I mean the real fans not only people who listen to it time to time.

Linkin Park's teenie fans are around 12 and older. Of course there are still exceptions.

btw. LP loses a many fans with every year the fans get older.



But that´s true also that to someone not knowing the band it might seem quite teenish to come here and see the first (and the longest) thread being the "fav. pic" threads. Dunno how is it with Metallica. But the music really is that matters.. well, but also it´s a fact that Metallica members aren´t that good looking either, lol:D (hope that´s allowed and I didn´t ruing my swerious post with this, hope you understand. It´s true too)


This makes the difference between Metal and other genres as well. The look doesn't care that much like here. It's very rare that Metallica *metal fans in general* fans are screaming "Omgz James is so hot!" or "I luv you". The music matters at all. That's one reason too why there aren't so many female fans. In metal are rarely sunny boyz like LP.

And LP members aren't that good looking either btw. at least I think that.

[Rocksquirrel]

Metallica fans dont like lp because lp is sooo sooooooft (in their opinion) and metallica sooo haaard and heavy! And soft music = bad music (in their opinion).

Not true at all.

Metal fans are open minded *example me*. We either like to listen to Jazz, Rap or industrial etc. Ignorant statement from your side.

And not all Metal subgenre are "heavy" and "hard". There is for example Progressive Metal which is really melodic. Metal isn't at all only hard and heavy.

[Rocksquirrel]

I like both LP and Metallica.
First off, Metallica fans are just jealous of LP because of their winning streak. Another thing is, LP has a better vocalist. Metallica were good, real good until albums like Load, Reload and St Anger were released. Metallica fans are living in the past and are hoping they will relive their glory days. We'll see if Rick Rubin can bring in some of his magic which I doubt!

oh dear. You have a terrible opinion.

Fans which their band has sold over 100 millions CD is jealous at LP?

You can't expect of a band which exists over 20 years to be good and awesome all the time. Think about that.

At least Metalica doesn't change their style because they are too stupid to improve in their own genre. Metallica is working on to get the old feeling back.
LP didn't do that with MTM, sorry. They changed their style overall.

Didn't we wait for LP's glory days too? And this band only exists slightly over 10 years.

James has a voice which fits perfectly to Metallica and to the sound.
There are far better vocalists than Bennington in metal. If you know Mikael Åkerfeldt or Tony Kakko you will understand what I mean.

[NoFace]

haha It's just like me I'm a LP's fan = a rock fan so I always hate pop music, Dance or Korean music.....Sometimes I swear at them. :p
Anyway I hate that racialist theory.It's so much uncultured.
All is s*** and non sense.
We (and Metallica's fans or anyone)have to learn to respect other's taste of music.

Hell no. Tons of LP fans listen to teenpop. The so called "I lykez Linkin Park, Linkin Park rox, I lurve rox and hatez pop, lul" thing that many teenagers pull up, I call it "posers".

I don't understand why some racialist theory has anything to do here. Wrong word choice?

And what Sandra said above.

[zeejay]

Whoa, whoa, WHOA! Let's not get outta hand here!!!!! We've descended from just discussing what's wrong to who's better! Shit! You guy's better straight up. Break the ice fellas!

Listen, I never listened to Metallica before except St. Anger but I gotta give 'em credit. It was perfect for older generations - those hardcore, die-hard headbanger guys on Harley Davidson wheels which also gained my respect (and somehow will become one myself). LP, on the other side, is perfect for new, younger generations (and yes, people like me). Look at the times, fellas! Each one exists for a certain period. Metallica is legendary, LP is iconic but both will be surpassed by newer bands one day. One that suits for it's time!

I have a feeling one day LP fans is gonna be like Metallica fans - die-hard. And I have a feeling if new bands gained attention, LP fans will start to debate who's better. I know it's about loyalty and it's never been a bad thing but denying that time's changing? Please. All of you are better than that. You guys grow! You guys listen to all kinds of music! Why didn't all of you have respect for each other?

Quit yappin' and start changin'. For all we care, Metallica and LP worked together and respect each other eventhough they don't necessarily like each other's music but hell, they're both successful! What do we do? This ain't rock, THIS IS HYPOCRITE! >: (

Note: Both ARE rock bands! Have some respect!

[Moonmike]

Listen, I never listened to Metallica before except St. Anger but I gotta give 'em credit. It was perfect for older generations - those hardcore, die-hard headbanger guys on Harley Davidson wheels which also gained my respect (and somehow will become one myself). LP, on the other side, is perfect for new, younger generations (and yes, people like me). Look at the times, fellas! Each one exists for a certain period. Metallica is legendary, LP is iconic but both will be surpassed by newer bands one day. One that suits for it's time!
I'm 16 years old, listen to Metallica and don't own a harvey davidson. That's absolutely a cliché.
The Rolling Stones, ZZ-Top and many other bands are still not surpassed although they exist for more than 30 years.


I have a feeling one day LP fans is gonna be like Metallica fans - die-hard. And I have a feeling if new bands gained attention, LP fans will start to debate who's better. I know it's about loyalty and it's never been a bad thing but denying that time's changing? Please. All of you are better than that. You guys grow! You guys listen to all kinds of music! Why didn't all of you have respect for each other?
We all respect the music of LP and Metallica. We just argue about why LP isn't comparable with Metallica. Although some people seem like they have no clue what metal is.

Quit yappin' and start changin'.For all we care, Metallica and LP worked together and respect each other eventhough they don't necessarily like each other's music but hell, they're both successful! What do we do? This ain't rock, THIS IS HYPOCRITE! >: (

Note: Both ARE rock bands! Have some respect!
Well, that's speculating.

and we all respect both bands but some people just try to tell that metal fans are totally focused on "hard" and "heavy" music and hate other music (again, a cliché). If you aren't a metal fan you can't even know what a metalhead thinks.

but I guess that's just all a personal taste. please people, don't say something about metal or metalheads unless you really know something about them/it.

sorry for the interpreting though =/

[zeejay]

Moonmike, that's good response so far. And FYI, I know what it feels to be a metalhead. You should read my story on a thread called LP story right here in Linkin Park sub-forums. Gosh, I hadn't heard that metalhead word in a looooonnnggg time. Have you heard the word metaljunkie before? Anyway, as I posted, rock die-hard (pun intended) and bands have loyal fan base which is usually large. So think. Loyalty and respect. Both are beautiful things.

Now keep the debate on a low, cool scale, alright?

Peace.

[SuLFURIC_ACID]

Whooa.....Nice Discussion I Never Though The Topic With This Kind Of Serious Posting.. :D

People You Know What I'm From "Pakistan".Maybe You Have'nt Heard Of Our Place..!

I Personally Also Think That Al People Should respect Each Others Opinion About Music. I'm A Die Hard BsB Fan And I'm A Die Hard Linkin Park Fan Also..!
Why People Dont Get That Linkin Park Is Also a Sub-Genre Of Rock

Go To WikiPedia And Search About Rock

You Will Get To Know

ROCK->MetaL->Nu-MetaL

Which Means NuMetal Music Is Also About Rock..!

Metallica Formed In 1981 And Still Performing Its Good..But Why The Hell People Say That LINKIN PARK are Kids? Its Been I Think Their 9th Year In The Industry Every Time They Came UP With Some Totally Diffrent Kind Of Music which Is Awesome.. They Have Amazing Lyrics Which I'm Sure Metallica Have Not.. !

I've Also Seen LIVE Performances Of Both Bands i Try very Hard But I Cant Seem To Find Anything Rocking In Metallica.. Sorry To Say..!

Its The Matter Of Genre Or Whatever.. If People start calling LP Is a Boy band or Pop start I Would Still Love Them.. They're Something Out Of the World..!

[zeejay]

Oh no, here we go again...

Okay, people. Nice and steady. No flaming, just nice discussion. Give some enlightenment to those who don't know and try to sway away from "LP'S BETTER!!!! *Whatever bands* (you know this already so I'm not gonna say it)". Response with (PLEASE! FOR THE SAKE OF ROCK!!!!) a mature tone.

Btw, nice to meet you SuLFURIC_ACID! I know where Pakistan is. I don't know they have LP fans there. :)

[Moonmike]

I Personally Also Think That Al People Should respect Each Others Opinion About Music. I'm A Die Hard BsB Fan And I'm A Die Hard Linkin Park Fan Also..!
Why People Dont Get That Linkin Park Is Also a Sub-Genre Of Rock

Go To WikiPedia And Search About Rock

You Will Get To Know

ROCK->MetaL->Nu-MetaL

Which Means NuMetal Music Is Also About Rock..!
Nu Metal => Crossover => Alternative (Rock)
Nu metal is just an other useless word to say Alternative and more not.

Sure is metal about rock! it developed out of rock (like every other rock subgenre)


Metallica Formed In 1981 And Still Performing Its Good..But Why The Hell People Say That LINKIN PARK are Kids? Its Been I Think Their 9th Year In The Industry Every Time They Came UP With Some Totally Diffrent Kind Of Music which Is Awesome.. They Have Amazing Lyrics Which I'm Sure Metallica Have Not.. !

Watch your mouth! if you never listened to a Metallica song (expect Nothing else matters) be quiet. They write wonderful and beautiful lyrics, for example:
One (http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/metallica/one_20092051.html)
Fade To Black (http://www.lyricsmania.com/lyrics/metallica_lyrics_219/ride_the_lightning_lyrics_1083/fade_to_black_lyrics_12309.html)
Master Of Puppets (http://www.lyricsmania.com/lyrics/metallica_lyrics_219/master_of_puppets_lyrics_1084/master_of_puppets_lyrics_12315.html)
and many more...sorry, but that comment was just totally ignorant.

[zeejay]

...

It's starting... oh boy...

[Moonmike]

Moonmike, that's good response so far. And FYI, I know what it feels to be a metalhead. You should read my story on a thread called LP story right here in Linkin Park sub-forums. Gosh, I hadn't heard that metalhead word in a looooonnnggg time. Have you heard the word metaljunkie before? Anyway, as I posted, rock die-hard (pun intended) and bands have loyal fan base which is usually large. So think. Loyalty and respect. Both are beautiful things.

Now keep the debate on a low, cool scale, alright?

Peace.

but those people who post things like: Metallica fans are just jealous or Metallica just writes bad lyrics or Metalheads just listen to hard an heavy stuff and hate the rest, that's not about Metallica anymore it's about metalheads. Calling them uncultured and not open minded. Those things are disrespectfully against the metalheads who are here.

and yes, I know the word metaljunkie =)

[Moonmike]

...

It's starting... oh boy...

nah, it's not =P we just discuss in a normal way, no need to be worried that a fight will start, it won't =)

[zeejay]

Ah, nice. Moonmike, I know how you feel. I got the same treatment in real life back a couple of years ago. Bad times. Well, to people who wrote like that, LP or Metallica, please do think before you write. People has feelings, y'know. Again, respect, respect, respect.

Btw, off-topic, Moonmike, ya got MSN?

[Moonmike]

Ah, nice. Moonmike, I know how you feel. I got the same treatment in real life back a couple of years ago. Bad times. Well, to people who wrote like that, LP or Metallica, please do think before you write. People has feelings, y'know. Again, respect, respect, respect.

Btw, off-topic, Moonmike, ya got MSN?

well, I'm more a nerd in real life (at least I look like one >_<)

yes, I have. I'll PM you. =)

[MarathonMan]

When you guys say "teenie" I'm guessing you are refering to teens (not that I have a problem with that).

Well anyway, I can't remember a time when I had to argue with a Metalica fan, but I've had some trouble with NIN fans and Deftones fans. They seem to angry just because LP tried to show them respect by playing comvers of their songs. When I go to Slipknot videos their kinda split up amongst them. Some say they don't like LP but don't hate them, some think they're okay, some used to like them but moved on, and then there those guys who just hate LP for no apparent reason.

[LinkinPete]

Quite a few people seem to bash LP without a proper reason. Or just cause they´re not some genre.

[RachaelLP]

I'm not sure about just Metallica fans hating Linkin Park, i know alot of people who are into all sorts of music, not just metal etc. who hate LP. But the people i know are on the other end of the spectrum, don't listen to anything except what's on the radio or in the charts and really couldn't give a rat's arse about any music that's not produced by Timbaland, and still hate LP. The only reason i can think of is because it's different. Metallica is different to LP. Some people just have different tastes, and/or prefer there rock heavy/hard. I'm not saying the people who listen to Metallica don't listen to different types of music or rock, but some maybe don't appreciate the angle LP come from. You also have to take into account, what type of forums SuLFURIC_ACID goes on, but if they are music related, people who like Metallica are going to be big fans, and so love their band more than any other. More than LP for example.

I completely disagree with the comment about Linkin Park fans being 'teenie' etc. Yes there are some of course, as with every band i'm sure, but i wouldn't say LP breed these type of fans. Linkin Park is a type of music that alot of people can appreciate i think, and that contribuites to their success. And about LP being teens' 'first serious band', i'm in my teens but i listen to music way more 'serious' if that is the right word. :)

Good debate by the way!

[Rocksquirrel]

Go To WikiPedia And Search About Rock

You Will Get To Know

ROCK->MetaL->Nu-MetaL

Which Means NuMetal Music Is Also About Rock..!

Wikipedia. oh, oh, oh.


Metallica Formed In 1981 And Still Performing Its Good..But Why The Hell People Say That LINKIN PARK are Kids? Its Been I Think Their 9th Year In The Industry Every Time They Came UP With Some Totally Diffrent Kind Of Music which Is Awesome.. They Have Amazing Lyrics Which I'm Sure Metallica Have Not.. !


inform yourself about the Metallica lyrics and think about it all again.


I've Also Seen LIVE Performances Of Both Bands i Try very Hard But I Cant Seem To Find Anything Rocking In Metallica.. Sorry To Say..!

you didn't even try otherwise you would feel the passion and fun Metallica gives and shows.
I see it every times when they are on stage. The smiles, the way they talk with the fans. It's awesome. There are differences in live performances in metal. There won't nobody bounce around if you like this sooooo much.
Metal is more concentrated on music and melody. Metal is for pure music lovers. Not only metal, there are more genres too.

[3Blin1k1]

...where I live, just about everyone I know likes Linkin Park to a degree. I know metalheads that like them, but don't love them. Still, you can't deny the fact that LP has predominantly younger, more immature fans.

Linkin Park is a good band, and their talent has improved with MTM...but to compare them to Metallica and say they can't compare to LP is a matter of opinion and not a fact. If Linkin Park is your favorite band, then good for you. They're one of my favorites, too. Anyway, you can't exactly call them the greatest band ever with a straight face. Why were they so unique? They pioneered nothing, they came in on a sound in music which had already been established by greats like RATM and NIN. Even "Limp Bizkit" had blown up with this rap-rock fusion before LP came along.

Metallica is a legend. To say that they write poor lyrics or are uninteresting or won't be around in 20 years is just plain ignorant. They are far more complex, melodic than most bands and write better lyrics than LP ever could. Listen to songs like One, Fade to Black, For Whom The Bell Tolls, The Unforgiven II, Disposable Heroes to name a few. Then listen to songs like Given Up, One Step Closer, Faint, and Runaway. Tell me with a straight face that Linkin Park is comparable to Metallica, Iron Maiden or any other legendary metal band.

When it comes down to it, people dislike LP because their lyrics are simple. Their riffs and chord progressions are simplistic in nature, and they often re-used the same ones (see Figure.09-From The Inside-Faint or Pushing Me Away/Numb). You could argue that with MTM, they did a turn around lyrically and musically. The riffs in Given Up and NMS are meatier and better than most of their old stuff. GU has a great bass-line, drum pattern and that killer scream. Songs like LOATR, TLTGYA, and SOTD are very melodic and have nice lyrics and decent guitar solos. However, this is just a tiny step, and nobody who dislikes LP to begin with will give MTM a thorough listen and say, "Wow, this is a good album. Way to step up." It isn't all that amazing or ground-breaking to begin with, and they have LONG way to go if they ever want to lock horns with the greats. And frankly, I don't think they'll get there anytime soon.

[Liquorice]

And Liquorice, are you serious Linkin Park and Metallica fans are preety much the same at concerts....LOL!!!!

I didn't say they were the same at concerts. Please learn to read. I said I'd been to both concerts, and the age range was 12 to mid 50's for both concerts. Thanx. A lot of the same ppl were at both concerts. And Marilyn Manson. Some ppl actually like different kinds of music and artists. Not all of us stick to the one and same.

I just don't get why some ppl cannot understand that there are younger ppl who like Metallica and older ppl who like Linkin Park. And yes, you can like both and go to both concerts and enjoy both bands music.

[bunny_bennoda2508]

LP play nu.Nu always be hated by all true rock fan.They think that Nu is a "hybrid baby" between Rock and Hiphop. May be it's the reason for Metallica's fans :confused:

[bunny_bennoda2508]

Hell no. Tons of LP fans listen to teenpop. The so called "I lykez Linkin Park, Linkin Park rox, I lurve rox and hatez pop, lul" thing that many teenagers pull up, I call it "posers".

I don't understand why some racialist theory has anything to do here. Wrong word choice?

And what Sandra said above.

ummI don't know but in fact not all pop I hate cauze' I'm stil a Britney's big fan,but especially Korean pop and...I think not many pop-listeners like rock

[Sofia_LP4eva]

Hmm... just to keep to what this thread was about, I think the metalheads are pissed that LP is called alternative metal when in fact it's nothing like metal. Well ya, it's ALTERNATIVE metal, don't you know the meaning of that?

[LinkinPete]

Linkin Park is a good band, and their talent has improved with MTM...but to compare them to Metallica and say they can't compare to LP is a matter of opinion and not a fact. If Linkin Park is your favorite band, then good for you. They're one of my favorites, too. Anyway, you can't exactly call them the greatest band ever with a straight face. Why were they so unique? They pioneered nothing, they came in on a sound in music which had already been established by greats like RATM and NIN. Even "Limp Bizkit" had blown up with this rap-rock fusion before LP came along.

Metallica is a legend. To say that they write poor lyrics or are uninteresting or won't be around in 20 years is just plain ignorant. They are far more complex, melodic than most bands and write better lyrics than LP ever could. Listen to songs like One, Fade to Black, For Whom The Bell Tolls, The Unforgiven II, Disposable Heroes to name a few. Then listen to songs like Given Up, One Step Closer, Faint, and Runaway. Tell me with a straight face that Linkin Park is comparable to Metallica, Iron Maiden or any other legendary metal band.

When it comes down to it, people dislike LP because their lyrics are simple. Their riffs and chord progressions are simplistic in nature, and they often re-used the same ones (see Figure.09-From The Inside-Faint or Pushing Me Away/Numb). You could argue that with MTM, they did a turn around lyrically and musically. The riffs in Given Up and NMS are meatier and better than most of their old stuff. GU has a great bass-line, drum pattern and that killer scream. Songs like LOATR, TLTGYA, and SOTD are very melodic and have nice lyrics and decent guitar solos. However, this is just a tiny step, and nobody who dislikes LP to begin with will give MTM a thorough listen and say, "Wow, this is a good album. Way to step up." It isn't all that amazing or ground-breaking to begin with, and they have LONG way to go if they ever want to lock horns with the greats. And frankly, I don't think they'll get there anytime soon.


Like you said all opinions. But I wouldn´t, and I know the band itself, wouldn´t call themselfs just a rap-rock fusion. It´s such a pinnholing. Like Mike said there´s rap and there´s rock but also many other things and it´s not like the elements are separated or just thrown together.

Also their (Brads) playing style is different, "less is more" like he said so I think he´s point is to make things simple, cause like he said that can take more talent to say what you wanna with a simple riff. It has been and is characteristic to LP to cut all the fat out of their songs. Also cause they´re not jsut a rock or whatever it´s more about the songs and not just one instrument and it´s player. Like Brad said he tries to make his guitar fit and make it sound more lke strings for example. Well, sure there are great riffs and a few solos too, but that fusion of styles makes him not to be the typical "white rock gutiarist". Also like he said it being more about the song itself, he´s not a shof off and have complexity for the sake of complexity, like "ok, that riff was too simple, but check my solo mom, I can play THIS fast!".

Also note that I´m not saying playing fast for example or having complex solos etc. would automatically be bad or that I´d accuse any particular band here. Just pointed this out. Peace.

[Rocksquirrel]

Hmm... just to keep to what this thread was about, I think the metalheads are pissed that LP is called alternative metal when in fact it's nothing like metal. Well ya, it's ALTERNATIVE metal, don't you know the meaning of that?

That's the point. Should I post you alternative metal?

Linkin Park is not even a bit metal. Everybody who knows metal and listens to metal knows what I mean.

Metal has for example complex guitar riffs and faster drums and so much more.

Linkin Park can ONLY be called alternative, if.

[Sofia_LP4eva]

Well, then LP are alternative everything. or something.
THe everchanging genre. ok, idk.

[3Blin1k1]

But Linkin Park isn't metal. I've never heard them being called alt metal, it's always nu-metal or rap rock that's been thrown around. Some of their songs are pretty heavy (No More Sorrow, Given Up, QWERTY, By Myself, Figure.09), but that doesn't make them metal. In fact metal itself doesn't need to be heavy to be metal, but LP still retains no other elements of that genre. Other than the occasional heavy riff, I wouldn't find any argument to say that they are even close to metal.

It's fact. Linkin Park isn't metal...I'd call them hard rock, for sure.

[Rocksquirrel]

^Didn't I say that all the time? :P

[Pure_Ainmhi]

I don't mind people having an opinion on music if they give valid reasons as to why they seemingly detest a band.

I saw Linkin Park here in 2003 when they played alongside Metallica with Metallica being the main headline act of course. As soon as LP took to the stage they were met with a barrage of bottles and many other things.

Things like that annoy me. I don't necessarily like a few bands but I can respect them for their talent but I may not like the style of music that they play.

I mean I don't really like Queens Of The Stone Age that much and they're supporting Linkin Park when they play here but I'm not gonna turn around and encourage people to start hurling things at them on stage. It's not fair on the band and for those who like the band. They're a talented band but their music is not for me.

I know that most of the Metallica fans here and the ones I know just went along with the crowd at the concert in throwing things at LP which irritated me greatly. Like true professionals they took it all, stayed on to finish the remainder of their set and eventually won a large part of the crowd back towards the end of their set.

Another similar incident occured at the Download festival in England last year when My Chemical Romance headlined the main stage. They got lots of bottles thrown at them. To me that's just pure idiocy because MCR were not the only band on at that time. Those throwing the bottles etc at them could have easily walked away to find a band they did like and leave the fans of MCR to enjoy their show in peace.

I'm glad LP decided to come back to Dublin after they had such a bad experience here last time and for their first time they'll be appreciated here by their real fans in their first headline show here. Good luck guys.

[lord_patrick]

It's good i stumbled into this forums by accident.
I m a metalhead. Well , at least an open minded one. Most metalheads are usually posers, and tend to criticize, because there s an old saying in the metal scene : Criticize or be criticize. So mocking is probably just a vain attempt to escape mocking. Listenning to the most brutal shit out there ( dying foetus, necrophagist, mayhem , burzum ), and being a TR00 black fan, or death fan, is just plain stupid to me. But don't get me wrong, i have like 500 gb of this kind of music, yet i m open minded to linkin park , and nu metal. Why is that ? Because i appreciate good music. ( at least the early linkinpark, i find the new lp irritating )

So when you see a metallica fan ( SPECIALLY A METALLICA FAN LOL ), just put in your mind, that this guy is a total poser and he's new to the metalscene, because usually people start listenning to metallica at first , then start climbing the lader ( maiden > dream theater > sodom > carpathian forest > hate eternal > immolation and shit > agalloch ( more mature music LOL ) )

That's how the world is, we can't do anything, but to fight back ignorants. That's what i'm currently doing in my country, i m starting a propaganda war to fight those ignorant fools. And i'm succeeding :D

P.s : the important thing to remember is that linkin park might be metal music to you, but no , consider them nu rock.

[Rocksquirrel]

So when you see a metallica fan ( SPECIALLY A METALLICA FAN LOL ), just put in your mind, that this guy is a total poser and he's new to the metalscene, because usually people start listenning to metallica at first , then start climbing the lader ( maiden > dream theater > sodom > carpathian forest > hate eternal > immolation and shit > agalloch ( more mature music LOL ) )


You can listen to Metallica without being a poser.
Not everybody is made for melodic death or black metal etc. =P you are a poser when you only know the most popular bands in the metal
scene and when you don't know how many subgenres metal has.

EDIT: sorry for commenting every second post >_>

[lord_patrick]

not a metallica fan, we're after all all metallica fans, but usually a metallica fan for life is a newbie or a poser

[mindzmisery]

whats up with the whole "metallica fans hate LP" shit going on? i mean, they're just two great bands with different genres, right?

[SuLFURIC_ACID]

So when you see a metallica fan ( SPECIALLY A METALLICA FAN LOL ), just put in your mind, that this guy is a total poser and he's new to the metalscene, because usually people start listenning to metallica at first , then start climbing the lader ( maiden > dream theater > sodom > carpathian forest > hate eternal > immolation and shit > agalloch ( more mature music LOL ) )


wOW.. i Would LIke To KISS You for That Great Explanation :D

Any Metallica Fans If Get Hurt By My Post I'm Sorry To Them.
But You People PLz Do Realize Dont Flame Others Choice.. If You Love Metallica Its Okay Maybe They're The Best For You But Dont Say You HATE LP Just Becoz They're Not Metal. Maybe're They Are The Best For Other People.

I See On Forums People Use To Hammer Their Choices On Others Like What They Are Saying IS The Best Thanx Good We Dont Start Here TypicaL Metallica Vs. LP Fight. I Would Try To Post That Posts Made On The Forum I'm Fighting Over For LP :D You Know What We Realize Our Love For LP When SOmeone Say They're Bad.

[SuLFURIC_ACID]

And Hey... Some ASked If There're LP Fans IN Pakistan..!

YUP Man There Are Allloooottttt Of Them..! We Always Waited For Them Instead Of Knowing the fact They'll Never Come Here..!

Check On ORKUT You'll See Most Of the Pakistani Fans Everywhere Defending Linkin Park.. ! :D

[3Blin1k1]

wOW.. i Would LIke To KISS You for That Great Explanation :D

Any Metallica Fans If Get Hurt By My Post I'm Sorry To Them.
But You People PLz Do Realize Dont Flame Others Choice.. If You Love Metallica Its Okay Maybe They're The Best For You But Dont Say You HATE LP Just Becoz They're Not Metal. Maybe're They Are The Best For Other People.

I See On Forums People Use To Hammer Their Choices On Others Like What They Are Saying IS The Best Thanx Good We Dont Start Here TypicaL Metallica Vs. LP Fight. I Would Try To Post That Posts Made On The Forum I'm Fighting Over For LP :D You Know What We Realize Our Love For LP When SOmeone Say They're Bad.

...you like capitalization, don't you? I'm very open minded about music. I listen to anything really. Compared to half the bands I listen to, LP is nothing. Talent-wise, they can't compare, but I still like them. They're energetic and personally, I think Chester has a great voice.

I just can't stand when people hate on each other for what they listen to. The only reason I tried to lecture you is because you said Metallica sucks and can't compare to Linkin Park, which is completely opposite to my opinion. That's cool if you like Linkin Park better, but don't openly say a band sucks just because you don't like them personally, because you'll have a barrage of people telling you why you're wrong. It's best to keep it simple and say "I don't like them" rather than "they suck and LP is 100000000 times better." :)

[Pure_Ainmhi]

whats up with the whole "metallica fans hate LP" shit going on? i mean, they're just two great bands with different genres, right?

Agreed. I'm a Metallica fan myself but some Metallica fans are really ignorant of any music that isn't Metallica if you get me. Well that's from my experience from Metallica fans I know and from the gig here a couple of years ago when LP played with Metallica.
Two completely different types of music really.

I'll agree with some of the posts above that a lot of Metallica fans are posers but a lot of people I know personally started off with listening to bands like Metallica and Iron Maiden etc and eventually got into heavier stuff. People's ears, well not ears specifically but their listening habits we shall say, are different and can't get into heavier stuff and so are content with listening to "mainstream" music like bands such as Pantera, Metallica. Can't really call some of them posers for doing that if that's what they're more inclined to listen to.

You can more or less tell by an indivdiuals image if they're poser material or not. Well it's easy where I live to establish those who know their music from those who don't.

[lord_patrick]

GGuys don t missinterprete me. I never said all metallica fans are posers. I am a metallica fan myself. I said the die hard metallica fans ( those who worship metallica right now and attack everything else) are posers, or newbies ( NEW TO METAL )

[3Blin1k1]

Well, you still can't deny the impact Metallica had and still has on metal. Bands like them and Sabbath made metal what it is. Metallica wasn't the first band to attempt thrash, but they got it big. Them along with bands like Antrax, Megadeth, and Slayer are the reason we have these death and black metal bands today. They took that heavy sound and took it a level higher. Personally, I hate death/black metal. I've given it many chances, but the constant screaming and talentless banging on pots and pans doesn't appeal to me. I don't see that as music.

Take them for what you will, but I dare any metal band today to produce an album as good as Ride The Lightning, Master Of Puppets, or ...And Justice For All. Those guys didn't need to scream or make instruments indiscernible to get their point across. Similar to how no rock band today can touch Zeppelin.

And for the record, I'm pretty sure Metallica and LP are cool with each other. Metallica doesn't care if they aren't ungodly heavy or complex. They still invited them to tour for Summer Sanitarium and Summer Sonic '06. You don't usually invite a band you hate to tour with you. Funny how all these ultimate metal heads diss LP, but Metallica themselves seem to like them just fine.

[Rocksquirrel]

Black Metal is more about the feel of the music then the actual sound.

[Moridin]

I'm a huge fan of both bands for starters. Got into LP around 2000/01 ( I was 12) when I heard OSC, and 2002/03 I got into Metallica when I got Ride the Lightning off of a guy in school


Quite a few people seem to bash LP without a proper reason. Or just cause they´re not some genre.

Metallica get a lot of hate for no reason too, i was just over at the LPU MB and there was a thread about the "new album review incident", and people just jumped in attacking them, mostly for stuff they were completely misinformed about.

There are elitist pricks in every fanbase, on every message board, covinced their opinion is fact. It'll never change.:rolleyes:


And for the record, I'm pretty sure Metallica and LP are cool with each other. Metallica doesn't care if they aren't ungodly heavy or complex. They still invited them to tour for Summer Sanitarium and Summer Sonic '06. You don't usually invite a band you hate to tour with you. Funny how all these ultimate metal heads diss LP, but Metallica themselves seem to like them just fine.

Yeah, in Dublin 2003 Hetfield was talking to the crowd about the rough treatment of LP, he said something like
"I'd just like to say kudos to LP for sticking through that today. many bands would have given up, they did not, I respect that."

[3Blin1k1]

Really. People should just let people like what they like. You go on Youtube and look at ANY music video by ANY artist, you'll find at least two comments per page that has been given 8 or 9 thumbs down because they bashed that band. I've seen it everywhere. Hell, months ago I was watching the footage of Stairway to Heaven from the Led Zeppelin Reunion show, and people were saying that Zeppelin sucked and are too old to play music and should just die. All they're doing is trying to get a rise out of you. Happens in real life, too. You just gotta ignore those people.

[Sofia_LP4eva]

whats up with the whole "metallica fans hate LP" shit going on? i mean, they're just two great bands with different genres, right?

Absolutely correct.

[SuLFURIC_ACID]

...you like capitalization, don't you? I'm very open minded about music. I listen to anything really. Compared to half the bands I listen to, LP is nothing. Talent-wise, they can't compare, but I still like them. They're energetic and personally, I think Chester has a great voice.

I just can't stand when people hate on each other for what they listen to. The only reason I tried to lecture you is because you said Metallica sucks and can't compare to Linkin Park, which is completely opposite to my opinion. That's cool if you like Linkin Park better, but don't openly say a band sucks just because you don't like them personally, because you'll have a barrage of people telling you why you're wrong. It's best to keep it simple and say "I don't like them" rather than "they suck and LP is 100000000 times better."

Kekeke Thats My Style Of Posting EveryWhere..:D

Yup Surely You're Right To Some Extent. I'm Convinced That We Should Keep Ourselves To Our Choices Like I Like Linkin Park And Backstreet Boys Both Am Die Hard Fan Of Both Of These Bands. But I Get Angry When People Use To Say Like LINKIN PARK Are Kiddos And They're CommerciaL? Does It Make Any Sense.

Hey Can Anyone Tell Me What Are Commercial Bands? Like People Say LP Made Music Videos ... So What In It? Metallica Also Made Music Videos... Does That Make a Band CommerciaL.

I Think After 5 or 10 Years More.. Linkin Park Will Also Be On The Place Of Metallica If They Continue To Work As They're Working Amazingly.

You Know What

The Topic @ Which The Fight Start Was " LINKIN PARK'S NEW VIDEO" On One Of the ORKUT COmmunities.. And Suddenly 3 or 4 People Came out Like Saying METALLICA Is God.. Linkin Park Is Bullshit And All That Crap...What The Hell With These People.. !

[minuteman]

Alright, hell, LP fans are (generally) not narrow-minded people when it comes to other music. It might just depend on where you look. But, yeah, LP is the band that made me the diverse listener I am, they introduced me to over 50% of the artists I am a big fan of today.

But, yeah, all the same, Linkin Park alone doesn't define the kind of listener I am. They may be my favourite band, nothing will ever change that, but I am always able to understand and, moreover, appreciate, the difference between what is the best and what I like best.

I know full well that Metallica is heavier and better than Linkin Park, if that's what you believe, that's cool and I agree. But, personally, I don't listen to Metallica. Just not my style. Just because Metallica is better doesn't make them the only good band around, the same with any other artist.

Wow, this is probably all way off and not adding to the topic at hand ...

[Pure_Ainmhi]

I agree with everything you've said more or less. I got into LP years ago and I'd consider myself a dedicated fan because I've stuck with them over the years. For a while all I ever listened to was punk etc. When I got HT it really opened my mind to other forms of music. These days I listen to everything from jazz to death metal.

I'm not sure why LP are constantly compared to Metallica. Ok they've done a tour with them but that was a very diverse musical event.

[RachaelLP]

Hell, months ago I was watching the footage of Stairway to Heaven from the Led Zeppelin Reunion show, and people were saying that Zeppelin sucked and are too old to play music and should just die. All they're doing is trying to get a rise out of you. Happens in real life, too. You just gotta ignore those people.

It just shows doesn't it, people can go write rubbish about legends like Led Zeppelin, even though they are probably one of the best rock bands in history. Linkin Park aren't the best band in the world, so of course people are going to have bad stuff to say about them. No other band is different and exempt from critiscm, or getting the 'it's crap' comments.

Sorry if i'm not even on topic here ..:rolleyes:

[3Blin1k1]

Alright, hell, LP fans are (generally) not narrow-minded people when it comes to other music. It might just depend on where you look. But, yeah, LP is the band that made me the diverse listener I am, they introduced me to over 50% of the artists I am a big fan of today.

But, yeah, all the same, Linkin Park alone doesn't define the kind of listener I am. They may be my favourite band, nothing will ever change that, but I am always able to understand and, moreover, appreciate, the difference between what is the best and what I like best.

I know full well that Metallica is heavier and better than Linkin Park, if that's what you believe, that's cool and I agree. But, personally, I don't listen to Metallica. Just not my style. Just because Metallica is better doesn't make them the only good band around, the same with any other artist.

Wow, this is probably all way off and not adding to the topic at hand ...

QFT. Although, I do listen to Metallica a lot. But Linkin Park wasn't even the first band I liked. I liked plenty of bands before LP and to this day like them better than LP. What Linkin Park did do is open my mind to heavier music and classic rock. I wouldn't be a fan of bands like Metallica, Maiden, Pantera, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, etc without them. Classics aside, they also opened my eyes to hard rock and hardcore bands in general.

Just because Linkin Park isn't that complex doesn't mean they aren't a good band. You can't just dissect the music of the band: you need to see how the music makes you feel and look at the band as people and not just songwriters. Linkin Park donates to and helps out many charities, including founding MFR. They are aware of the problems in the world and are trying to help with that. They don't go around looking for attention when they do this, like say, Angelina Jolie or Bono. They just do what they do and pretty much stay out of the spotlight. That, to me, is respectable.

[RachaelLP]

I've been listening to music like Zeppelin, Pink Floyd etc since i can remember, longer than i have been listening to Linkin Park. Undeniably, those classic bands' music is more complex, musically and maybe lyrically, but there's something about Linkin Park that just appeals to me.

3Blin1k1 is right. It's how the music makes you feel and what it means to you, regardless of the complexity or difficulty.

I don't see Linkin Park as just the band. Or just their music. You also see their personalities. And yes they are a respectable band and that is another reason why i appreciate them. They don't go around searching for attention, and maybe that's why they deserve our attention.

[SuLFURIC_ACID]

What Ever You guys Say.. Linkin Park Gives me That No Other Band Can Give. Their Magical Lyrics, Their Music Is Awesome Whether They Use Complicated Chords Or Not... !! They Sing What My Heart Wants TO Listen TO... !

And Yup Absolutely Their Struggling Personalities Also Give Us Inspiration On How They Came Into being With Having Such Band Conditions In Their Past !

[Pure_Ainmhi]

Every band is going to be subjected to negative comments and LP are no different.
I guess I can understand why people wouldn't like them. Perhaps they feel that they're trying to be something that they're not... A metal band...

They're not a metal band. I really couldn't put a label on their style of music. It's so diverse which makes it intresting and keeps things fresh. They take all elements of music and put it all together.

As a post above mentioned, they're not the most complex musicians but what they do, they do very well. It was refreshing to hear a guitar solo on MTM. Means they're pushing on with their style of music which is always good.

[DK]

It really depends SuLFURIC_ACID. Metallica fans back in the 80s are usually labeled as "metalheads" and the "metalheads" labeled the band "sellouts" once they released the Black album. The main reason is they lost they're Thrash Metal sound and it was soo immature to see their "metalheads" fans whinning. I'm predicting the fans of Metallica, the ones who got in them from the singles from the Black album, will probably like Linkin Park. Metallica was very popular once the Black album came out and I'm sure those Metallica fans will like Linkin Park. As Linkin Park fans, we all know they're a very popular band. Some will hate, some will like and it will always happen because that's life.

[DK]

Linkin Park is a good band, and their talent has improved with MTM...but to compare them to Metallica and say they can't compare to LP is a matter of opinion and not a fact. If Linkin Park is your favorite band, then good for you. They're one of my favorites, too. Anyway, you can't exactly call them the greatest band ever with a straight face.
Everyone has their own heroes 3Blin1k1. I have a friend who's a big fan of Ozzy than Black Sabbath, I have a friend who likes this band, this artist, whatever. I don't believe in no "greatest band/artist/ ever" it all depends from your heart from how you feel when you liste to the band/artist's music. I like Metallica. I love Master of Puppets, Enter Sandman, Nothing Else Matters, Fade To Black, and maybe one of my all time favorite Metallica songs Unforgiven. When I listen to one Linkin Park songs, I can't stop listening to them because they have something that most bands don't really have and that is emotions. Seriously, I've listened to old-school bands that are known for emotional songs (Led Zeppelin, U2, Aerosmith, etc) and they don't even come close to Linkin Park's music. Yeah, yeah they're not complicated with their instrumentation since I do play the guitair but their instrumentation is meant to portay any emotion. And they do a VERY GOOD job portaying any emotions: anger, hatred, angst, sadness, etc When I listen to One Step Closer, I can feel the angst in a more emotional way compared to Korn and Slipknot (using them cause they're know for making angsty music). In The End and With You emotionally crush Metallica's Nothing Else Matters and Unforgiven. Yes, Metallica is a legend. But come on 3Blink1k1/guys, just cause they're legends doesn't mean you should sacrifice a band or artist you grew up listening and you would call them the greatest. The Beatles for example in my opinion, are just boring and they lack harmony a lot. I don't enjoy their solos that much. Now you can see I don't really like the Beatles even though there are some albums I do but I still have to respect them. Why? They're legends. Without them, rock-n-roll will never happen. Same with Metallica with all the metal movement in the 80s, but just cause they are legends doesn't mean I have to love them sooo much and give up my all time favorite band which is LP. All I have to do is respect them for that. That is not an opinion, that's a fact.

3Blink1k1, the reason why I wrote this is I feel like you're trying to make young LP fans (teenagers) give up their favorite band (LP) just because they didn't achieved or pioneered what Metallica did a long time ago.

[AmyLynette_91]

whatever happens.. LP still the best.. so lets not hate metallica just because we are LP fans... haahhaa.. dont be just like them!

[Suru80]

oh dear. You have a terrible opinion.

Fans which their band has sold over 100 millions CD is jealous at LP?

You can't expect of a band which exists over 20 years to be good and awesome all the time. Think about that.

At least Metalica doesn't change their style because they are too stupid to improve in their own genre. Metallica is working on to get the old feeling back.
LP didn't do that with MTM, sorry. They changed their style overall.

Didn't we wait for LP's glory days too? And this band only exists slightly over 10 years.

James has a voice which fits perfectly to Metallica and to the sound.
There are far better vocalists than Bennington in metal. If you know Mikael Åkerfeldt or Tony Kakko you will understand what I mean.

100 million CD's? Please provide these facts before you argue your point!!!

Metallica not changing their style? Which is the one reason why they aren't growing as a band. Which in turn they dropped their long-time producer of 15yrs Bob Rock for Rick Rubin because their old style was NOT WORKING!!!

A better voice than Bennington? Name me a rock vocalist that sings for rock, hip hop, ballad songs etc etc? The thing is I'm comparing his voice to James Hetfield. James sounds like any other rock singer. Tell him to sing a high note and his throat may likely crack on the attempt.

[Suru80]

Here you go.

Metallica selling 100million albums?

Well face the facts cause here they are

http://www.mac-archive.com/metallica/sales.html

100million my ass!!!

[Pure_Ainmhi]

I think Metallica have changed their style a bit. Well after the Black album anyway they just sounded more rock than thrash metal.

Thrash metal isn't about the vocals anyway really. It's all about the music really so it's really just a matter of finding out who can sing and play at the same time. Hetfield's vocals may not be the best but he, along with the other members in Metallica, are extremely good at what they do. 54 million album sales says it all.

LP are excellent at what they do and you have to remember that they haven't been around as long as Metallica so they haven't yet fully perfected themselves yet in my opinion.

[3Blin1k1]

...you seriously trying to say Metallica never changed their style? YOU need to do some research before YOU talk.

The Black album was a departure for them. It was still a metal record, but was toned down quite a bit. It was a lot more mainstream than the others. Load and Reload were a complete step in a different direction. Those albums were more alternative rock than anything, with a hint of blues and goth-metal. You'll notice they sort of faded away after this. Listen to the monstrosity that is St. Anger and try to tell me they haven't changed their sound. If anything, they stopped growing and being popular because they did change their style...

[Pure_Ainmhi]

They took out guitar solos on St. Anger. Everything about that album was horrible for me. If people were hearing Metallica for the first time it'd be such a horrible experience. They did start getting more mainstream when Load/Reload were released. One of their songs was even featured on the Mission Impossible 2 soundtrack. I think they changed their sound for the worse. It's good to change from time to time but they really owe it to the true Metallica fans to go back to their old style on their next album.

[Moridin]

Here you go.
Metallica selling 100million albums?
Well face the facts cause here they are
http://www.mac-archive.com/metallica/sales.html
100million my ass!!!

Thats 57mil in the USA. Over 90mil worldwide, and the new album will surely tip that over 100mil.;)


Metallica not changing their style? Which is the one reason why they aren't growing as a band. Which in turn they dropped their long-time producer of 15yrs Bob Rock for Rick Rubin because their old style was NOT WORKING!!!

A better voice than Bennington? Name me a rock vocalist that sings for rock, hip hop, ballad songs etc etc? The thing is I'm comparing his voice to James Hetfield. James sounds like any other rock singer. Tell him to sing a high note and his throat may likely crack on the attempt.

Like was already said, they did change their sound multiple times. They didn't drop Bob because the sound wasn't working, they had like 3 completely different styles while Bob produced for them, plus a cover album and S&M. Do your research.

Hetfield doesn't have a range like Chester, thats true. But Hetfield isn't solely a singer like Chaz is. His voice is great for the music they play, and it takes alot of talent to sing what he sings while playing what he plays.
Comparing the two is stupid because of that.
But I'd love to hear Chaz cover some Metallica tunes.:cool:


They took out guitar solos on St. Anger. Everything about that album was horrible for me. If people were hearing Metallica for the first time it'd be such a horrible experience. They did start getting more mainstream when Load/Reload were released. One of their songs was even featured on the Mission Impossible 2 soundtrack. I think they changed their sound for the worse. It's good to change from time to time but they really owe it to the true Metallica fans to go back to their old style on their next album.

I Disappear was written specifically for MI2.
Whatever you think about St Anger is your opinion, but it's most definately their least accessible, least comercial album.
There are a lot of great songs on Load and ReLoad, and they definately don't owe their fans anything, just like LP don't owe us anything. That said, from the clips I've heard, Death Magnetic is gonna be a killer album.

[Rocksquirrel]

100 million CD's? Please provide these facts before you argue your point!!!

look what Moridin said. I hope you can read.


Metallica not changing their style? Which is the one reason why they aren't growing as a band. Which in turn they dropped their long-time producer of 15yrs Bob Rock for Rick Rubin because their old style was NOT WORKING!!!

Improving the style is the key, not changing like LP did. Changing the style wont make you grow from your ass sucking skills as musicians. That's a general thing and not only LP related before you start to a useless fight why LP is so talented.


A better voice than Bennington? Name me a rock vocalist that sings for rock, hip hop, ballad songs etc etc? The thing is I'm comparing his voice to James Hetfield. James sounds like any other rock singer. Tell him to sing a high note and his throat may likely crack on the attempt.

Did you check out the vocalists I posted? If not, shut up and listen first before you are saying something. These are the two artist I posted before: Tony Kakko and Mikeal Åkerfeldt. CHECK THEM OUT. Especially Mikeal because he is able to sing, to scream and to growl.

Btw I never heard Chester singing hip hop like. I doubt he can.
Xavier Naidoo sings R'n'B and hip hop and could, if he want, rock.
He has more soul in his ass than Chaz in his whole body. But I doubt that you are even going to check him out.

Metallica is Metal :) LP is Pop/Rock. Why should a metal vocalist sing Pop/Rock style?


Stop to make LP to the world's best band ever.


Because of LP fans like you Metallica fans dislike LP and their fans. It's a pity because most LP fans are less ignorant than you. Metallica fans aren't the only one btw.

[Rocksquirrel]

Here you go.

Metallica selling 100million albums?

Well face the facts cause here they are

http://www.mac-archive.com/metallica/sales.html

100million my ass!!!

FACE the fact LP will never reach this =D

seriously, check out the source before you are trying to proof something.

[NoFace]

A better voice than Bennington? Name me a rock vocalist that sings for rock, hip hop, ballad songs etc etc? The thing is I'm comparing his voice to James Hetfield. James sounds like any other rock singer. Tell him to sing a high note and his throat may likely crack on the attempt.

He sings hiphop songs because Mike effing Shinoda made hiphop songs. A million+ rock singers can sing in both rock and ballad style. Chester has failed to sing high notes tons of time and you can't count the times he's messing with the notes. And hell no, Metallica has no reason to be jealous with kids like Linkin Park.

[Suru80]

FACE the fact LP will never reach this =D

seriously, check out the source before you are trying to proof something.

You seriously have something wrong with your head don't you!

I for one provided facts while you tagged along with other people's quotes.

I wasn't talking about the two singers your mentioned because this forum is about LP and Metallica you moron!

Well LP have only brought out 3 albums and have already reached the 50million mark. Also it's a different era where more and more ppl are downloading songs than buying albums. So don't say anything unless you've got something intelligent to say.

As for James's voice, it's horrible!!! If you have hope that their next album will be a fit to form, then be prepared to be disappointed. Here's a link: http://youtube.com/watch?v=HUw1vcqTRfM

Just listen to his voice and the lyrics. It's the worst thing I've heard and he can't even sing in tune.

Provide facts and materials before you argue. If not then shut the hell up!!!

[Moonmike]

You seriously have something wrong with your head don't you!

I for one provided facts while you tagged along with other people's quotes.

I wasn't talking about the two singers your mentioned because this forum is about LP and Metallica you moron!

Well LP have only brought out 3 albums and have already reached the 50million mark. Also it's a different era where more and more ppl are downloading songs than buying albums. So don't say anything unless you've got something intelligent to say.

As for James's voice, it's horrible!!! If you have hope that their next album will be a fit to form, then be prepared to be disappointed. Here's a link: http://youtube.com/watch?v=HUw1vcqTRfM

Just listen to his voice and the lyrics. It's the worst thing I've heard and he can't even sing in tune.

Provide facts and materials before you argue. If not then shut the hell up!!!

sorry but I guess you are the moron because you said:
A better voice than Bennington? Name me a rock vocalist that sings for rock, hip hop, ballad songs etc etc? The thing is I'm comparing his voice to James Hetfield. James sounds like any other rock singer. Tell him to sing a high note and his throat may likely crack on the attempt.

you are contradictory yourself. And Bennington is also not so "perfect" like you say. Sometimes he sings really horrible and can't sing any high note.

Sure LP can reach the mark which Metallica reached but Madonna and Justin Timberlake can do the same. LP is mainstream and sells like shit, it's clear that a mainstream band can sell more albums than a metal/techno etc. band/group (underground bands/groups).

and you know, insulting people is really immature and just shows how unable you are to discuss without insults or any other childish behavior.
You are one of those super-duper-hyper-hardcore fans which say their band is da best in da world and the rest are just jealous fuckers. Try to accept that LP isn't the super-best band in the world and try to accept criticism.

[NoFace]

shut the hell up!!!

speak for yourself.

[Rocksquirrel]

You seriously have something wrong with your head don't you!

I for one provided facts while you tagged along with other people's quotes.

I wasn't talking about the two singers your mentioned because this forum is about LP and Metallica you moron!

Well LP have only brought out 3 albums and have already reached the 50million mark. Also it's a different era where more and more ppl are downloading songs than buying albums. So don't say anything unless you've got something intelligent to say.

As for James's voice, it's horrible!!! If you have hope that their next album will be a fit to form, then be prepared to be disappointed. Here's a link: http://youtube.com/watch?v=HUw1vcqTRfM

Just listen to his voice and the lyrics. It's the worst thing I've heard and he can't even sing in tune.

Provide facts and materials before you argue. If not then shut the hell up!!!

Just because I have an opinion I'm wrong in my head? Rather I'm wrong in my head than being like you. I kinda doubt that LP will exist that long anyways to reach that much. Avril Lavigne could reach it, too. It's my opinion. Live with that or cry in your little dark corner. I don't care.
At least I'm able to discuss on a high level without being so pathetic/immature that I call people "wrong in their heads" just because I don't have a good statement or I'm not able to give an intelligent comment back :) . Same with the word "moron".

Oh should I say again that you totally failed with the statement that Metallica sold 45 millions albums like you said? Well, here we go:

YOU FAILED WITH PROOFING BECAUSE YOU SHOWED HOW MUCH METALLICA SOLD IN USA. Happy now or should I write it again + source?

You wanted to know vocalist which are better than Chaz, which sing rap, rock blah blah. Kinda sad that you don't know your own posts. Should I quote you?

Well, your opinion? I'd rather hear a door knocking than Chaz singing high tones. We both know, he can't do it.
How can you say something about Metallica if you don't even listen to their songs etc.? Stop insulting vocalists just because they don't sing in the common way. I'm sure you still DIDN'T listen to Kakko or Mikeal.
How is it to live in an ignorant world?
=> You can take this as insult or you are for five seconds smarter than a cactus and wont start insulting people.

ah okay, which facts do you want to have? All awards Metallica earned? All their albums?

btw provide either facts about LP that they sold 50 millions albums. kthanx. If you can't, then play in your little Linkin park world where everything expect them is crap. I so don't care :)

It's amusing how easy you get pissed off when somebody uses sarcasm or is criticizing your holy favorite band. Makes you look immature.

Insulting make your statements just turn into teenie blah blah.

LP can proud of fans like you really. (Did you get the sarcasm?) I'm willing to explain :D

[Suru80]

Just because I have an opinion I'm wrong in my head? Rather I'm wrong in my head than being like you. I kinda doubt that LP will exist that long anyways to reach that much. Avril Lavigne could reach it, too. It's my opinion. Live with that or cry in your little dark corner. I don't care.
At least I'm able to discuss on a high level without being so pathetic/immature that I call people "wrong in their heads" just because I don't have a good statement or I'm not able to give an intelligent comment back :) . Same with the word "moron".

Oh should I say again that you totally failed with the statement that Metallica sold 45 millions albums like you said? Well, here we go:

YOU FAILED WITH PROOFING BECAUSE YOU SHOWED HOW MUCH METALLICA SOLD IN USA. Happy now or should I write it again + source?

You wanted to know vocalist which are better than Chaz, which sing rap, rock blah blah. Kinda sad that you don't know your own posts. Should I quote you?

Well, your opinion? I'd rather hear a door knocking than Chaz singing high tones. We both know, he can't do it.
How can you say something about Metallica if you don't even listen to their songs etc.? Stop insulting vocalists just because they don't sing in the common way. I'm sure you still DIDN'T listen to Kakko or Mikeal.
How is it to live in an ignorant world?
=> You can take this as insult or you are for five seconds smarter than a cactus and wont start insulting people.

ah okay, which facts do you want to have? All awards Metallica earned? All their albums?

btw provide either facts about LP that they sold 50 millions albums. kthanx. If you can't, then play in your little Linkin park world where everything expect them is crap. I so don't care :)

It's amusing how easy you get pissed off when somebody uses sarcasm or is criticizing your holy favorite band. Makes you look immature.

Insulting make your statements just turn into teenie blah blah.

LP can proud of fans like you really. (Did you get the sarcasm?) I'm willing to explain :D

I'm willing to explain that you all have really bad English. It would be nice to go over your comments and fix those little errors that 5yr olds don't even make.

[Rocksquirrel]

I'm willing to explain that you all have really bad English. It would be nice to go over your comments and fix those little errors that 5yr olds don't even make.

*claps* wow. You really missed the point.

I take this as victory. :)

btw. My English isn't bad. I'm thinking that you meant only me though you used the word "all" which explains you meant more than one person. But hey what do I know? My English sux in your opinion. And I give a sweet FUCK. oh I forgot the word "be" in my last sentence. Kill me for that.

At least a 5 years old kid is able to think, not like you. Every 5 years old kid could better discuss than you, even a stone could.

Again you proved your teenie blah blah. so no need to take you serious anyway.

[Suru80]

Rocksquirrel, did you come up with that yourself?

Why don't you google Linkin Park. You'll find that with every introduction to LP they'll write: Since the foundation of band in 1996, “Linkin Park” has sold more than 50 million album copies and they own two Grammy awards.

Also not very long ago, Mike Shinoda made a statement thanking fans that they'd made over 50million in album sales.

So yes I have done my homework thank you very much.

Also when you argue, it's more effective to not use words like blah blah because it shows you can't backup your statements.

[Suru80]

sorry but I guess you are the moron because you said:


you are contradictory yourself. And Bennington is also not so "perfect" like you say. Sometimes he sings really horrible and can't sing any high note.

Sure LP can reach the mark which Metallica reached but Madonna and Justin Timberlake can do the same. LP is mainstream and sells like shit, it's clear that a mainstream band can sell more albums than a metal/techno etc. band/group (underground bands/groups).

and you know, insulting people is really immature and just shows how unable you are to discuss without insults or any other childish behavior.
You are one of those super-duper-hyper-hardcore fans which say their band is da best in da world and the rest are just jealous fuckers. Try to accept that LP isn't the super-best band in the world and try to accept criticism.

Excuse me but where in my comments did I say that Bennington was perfect or had a perfect voice?

Kids say such wild things

[Rocksquirrel]

it's called opinion. Look it up in a dictionary.

Why should I? I'm not trying to proof pitiable how super awesome LP is compared to Metallica. It's your job.

I don't care what Mike is talking. I wanna see FACTS.

it's more effective to call people "moron", "something wrong in your head", right?

to explain teenie blah blah:" I'm not able to express myself without getting mad and insulting people. I'm neither able to make a good point with realistic statements as the case may be giving good explanations. Instead of proofing the difference, I'm skipping points and come up with something different. I think of my favorite band as the best band ever and try to convince everybody to think the same. I don't want to understand why people cannot agree with me. "

I'm going to add this little explanation every time I use the word teenie blah blah. I didn't you know that you didn't understand it :)

[Suru80]

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_albums_has_Linkin_Park_sold

There's your proof

[Moonmike]

Excuse me but where in my comments did I say that Bennington was perfect or had a perfect voice?


you didn't said it exactly according to each word but:

A better voice than Bennington? Name me a rock vocalist that sings for rock, hip hop, ballad songs etc etc? The thing is I'm comparing his voice to James Hetfield. James sounds like any other rock singer. Tell him to sing a high note and his throat may likely crack on the attempt.

do you see that I quote that for the second time? tsk ,tsk, tsk...
and if I interpret these parts of the text, I would say that you (Suru80) said that Chester is the ONLY ONE who can "sing" rock, hip hop and ballads songs which is absolutely false/wrong (no idea if you know the word "false" so I just wrote "wrong" besides it so that you won't get mad again). Also you take James Hetfield as the opposite of Chester, that means:
Chester => super-duper-hyper-best singer in da whole wurld.
Hetfield => horrible singer

so Chaz has to be that super guy singer of da wurld.

and yeah, I know. It's soooo sad that James can't sing lame pop songs. It makes me cry. Your stupidity makes me cry too. :)

Kids say such wild things

yeah, you said much crap.

P.S:: I wrote "da" and "wurld" because you won't understand it otherwise.

P.S.S.: If you can't understand me when I write like a normal person than I have to write like you. =)

[Moonmike]

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_albums_has_Linkin_Park_sold

There's your proof

and that should be your proof???


[...] linkin park has sold around fifty million or something

first of all:
it's Linkin Park and not linkin park
second:
or something? that's your proof? OR SOMETHING? sorry but that's crap...

[3Blin1k1]

Is he seriously trying to base his argument off of sales figures? That proves nothing. So what if Linkin Park has sold an assload of records, what does it prove? That they are mainstream artists? That their music is simple and easy to get into? All this proves is that the average person will buy LP's album because they can just pop it in and do no work, making for easy listening pleasure.

With Metallica's music, it makes you think. It makes you take notice of every last riff, chord progression, solo and drum pattern. Metallica's songs for the most part are very long and not radio friendly. If you have a short attention span (like yourself), then listening to such music is impossible. God forbid if you should have to actually think about a song and what it's about. No, you want everything handed to you.

IMO, Chester is a very good singer. He has a good range and a very melodic voice at times. Still, like Moonmike said, I dare you to go see them live and wait for them to play a song like What I've Done, In Pieces or Numb. Sounds absolutely horrible. Chester can't recreate the same high pitch live that he can in the studio. Could be due to songs like Given Up and basically any song with screams in it taking his energy away. Or maybe he really can't pull those songs off. Last I knew, Metallica's live shows were some of the best on the planet, and people shell out hundreds of dollars to see them perform. With Linkin Park, personally, I wouldn't pay more than the $70 price of a PR ticket (which includes at least 10 other bands to make the $$ worthwhile).

You need better evidence to support your claims than, "ZOMG, LP SOLD 50mIlLion ALBUMZ LULZ!!"

[xLinkinxParkx01]

not really. It's more because they have so many teenie fans.

erm i'm 15 but how am i teenie
like it dosnt matter what age you are

if its based on age then its stupid
theres people of all ages that enjoys lots
of different music

just had to put my opinion across
cause it annoys me when people say things about "teenies"

ugh!

xoxox

[blueeye]

Snobbish attitude in music is something I will never understand because in my opinion every person has different taste and expectations when it comes to music, so in the end it doesn`t come to riffs, solos or drum patterns. It comes to enjoying music which you like without bothering to constantly label it as classic, rock, jazz, blues etc.

btw Metallica concert in my country was canceled 6-7 years ago because of the high ticket prices and bad sells. Its all relative.

[xLinkinxParkx01]

Snobbish attitude in music is something I will never understand because in my opinion every person has different taste and expectations when it comes to music, so in the end it doesn`t come to riffs, solos or drum patterns. It comes to enjoying music which you like without bothering to constantly label it as classic, rock, jazz, blues etc.


very well said :)
that is very true :)

xoxox

[Rocksquirrel]

erm i'm 15 but how am i teenie
like it dosnt matter what age you are

if its based on age then its stupid
theres people of all ages that enjoys lots
of different music

just had to put my opinion across
cause it annoys me when people say things about "teenies"

ugh!

xoxox

Teens tend to scream like "Chaz is so hot", "I luv you Mike!! Marry me!" on concerts which is really annoying. Teens also tend to listen to some kind of band just because of their looks.

Side note: I just said the general things please don't comment stuff like: "But all are different!" "I'm mature for my age" and so on.


http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_albums_has_Linkin_Park_sold

There's your proof

"or something" is kick ass. This proof should be a joke, right?

[RachaelLP]

This whole thing is flawed. There will always be rifts and bad feelings between people who listen to different music. It's always been like that, and always will. No matter how much the quality, lyrics, vocals, meaning or emotion of the songs + band is discussed, most people will never agree. When it gets down to it, it's music + people get too defensive when there is no need.

Linkin Park gets ripped by people who like pop etc for being 'heavy metal'.
It get ripped for being 'too soft' by people who listen to heavy metal.

I'm sick of labels/genres. In both music + this 'teenie' business.

[Moridin]

[QUOTE=Suru80;375137]As for James's voice, it's horrible!!! If you have hope that their next album will be a fit to form, then be prepared to be disappointed. Here's a link: http://youtube.com/watch?v=HUw1vcqTRfM

Just listen to his voice and the lyrics. It's the worst thing I've heard and he can't even sing in tune. QUOTE]

Firstly, nice job on getting a Metallica song that was only half written and was scrapped well over a year ago, from a time when Hetfields voice wasn't very good.

Chaz doesn't sound so great on quite a few songs he sings, Crawling, POA, Faint, SIB and others, so don't post a vid of Hetfield when he's not on form trying to prove a point, everybody has off periods.

You see Hetfield damaged his voice pretty badly during the 90's through extensive touring.
He blew his voice out during the recording of the Black Album, The Black Album Tour went for 3 years solid and they toured every year after that all up through the 90's, that plus heavy alchohol abuse, who's voice wouldn't be fucked after that?

Hetfield had major vocal problems from 2003 to 2006/07, but as you can see/hear in some of the links below, this year he sounds great.
Now I'm not comparing Chaz and Het here, I've already stated that compering them is stupid, merely showing you how you're wrong in saying "Hets voice is horrible".

Lets get some better perspective, this is why Hetfield has a great voice thats perfect for what he sings/plays:
Outlaw Torn, S&M, 1999
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk1QZ3PA__0

Bleeding Me, S&M, 1999
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m1bxJENc64&feature=related

Sad But True, Lollapalooza, 1996
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8Ri16_FUp0

Nothing Else Matters, RockamRing, 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQCC2gb0V-Q&NR=1

Harvester Of Sorrow, RockamRing, 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiK4aiZClv0&feature=related

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It wouldn't be a great idea for an LP fan to say "Metallica lyrics suck" when the majority of LP's lyrics are very vague, simplistic and have almost no variety in subject matter (Im mostly referring to HT and Meteora, I think MTM is LPs best effort lyrically and musically), Where Metallica have very diverse lyrics, even between their first 3 albums.


I think, though, that everyone needs to relax a little in here. Have a coke and a smile, lifes too short for a fussin' an' a fuedin'.

[crops]

many of my friends like lp and they are fans of metallica..actually i dont care what they think about us and lp:p ...we are the best fans on the world:D .am i wrong;)

[MissNatalie1984]

i don't get the whole "let's pigeonhole a band so we can say how much they suck" thing.

people are so diverse it's only natural for people to like or dislike certain sorts of music.

so who cares about what kind of genre a certain band is. When Linkin Park first hit the scenes, i remember them being labelled from everything like Nu-Metal, to Alternative, to Pop Rock, to Unclassifiable. Does it really matter what genre of music they are, if you can honestly say you like their music?

By pinning a genre on a band, or trying to anyways, it then gives people the opportunity to say how crap that style of music is. because let's just face it, just because you like a band, doesn't mean everyone else will.

I think for me, it's safe to say that Linkin Park are probably one of my most favourite bands - i appreciate their music, i appreciate their lyrics and i like that they try to interact with their fans as much as possible.

Suffice to say, i do also like Metallica. They have had some extremely influential songs, and the guitar playing is probably some of the best i've ever heard.

I don't think it fair to even compare the music of Metallica to the music of Linkin Park - the reason being is because while both bands could be classified as Rock, they both have completely different styles and completely different approaches to the music they make.

and i think, in fairness, to say that Metallica's music makes you think and Linkin Park's music does not, is an unfair statement. 95% of lyrics have some sort of meaning to them, whether they're complex or not - but all lyrics are interpreted differently by each person and this is what makes songs unique.

I have spoken to many different people about certain lyrics and everyone has a different take on what they mean to them.

It annoys me the length people will go to just to prove that "my band is better than your band". in reality, it all comes down to preference. If you like Metallica and don't like Linkin Park, that's fine, more power to you, but don't run your mouth to me about how shit LP are, because i do not share the same views and to be honest, if you feel the need to bag a band and their music, and even go out of your way just to do so, then seriously, you must be lacking something in your life.

There's better things to, like pump the music you love and enjoy the feeling you get from listening to it. There's nothing better than just losing yourself in the music you love, whether it be Linkin Park, or Metallica, or whatever type of music it is that you love.

<3 Natalie

[ChesterzMuse]

I like both Metallica and Linkin Park.

[SuLFURIC_ACID]

It wouldn't be a great idea for an LP fan to say "Metallica lyrics suck" when the majority of LP's lyrics are very vague, simplistic and have almost no variety in subject matter (Im mostly referring to HT and Meteora, I think MTM is LPs best effort lyrically and musically), Where Metallica have very diverse lyrics, even between their first 3 albums.

I Dont Get The Hell term " SIMPLE LYRICS" What do You Mean By It?
I Mean Do u Have some INstruement to Measure The DEPTH Of Lyrics?

Every one take their Lyrics in their Own perspective and I Personally Think They're Revolutionary Poets. THey Have amazing Lyrics. And SInce I Have'nt Heard Metalica i wont Comment Them..!

Hey People Why The Hell We're Fighting Over this Matter On a Pure LP Board.

Listen All METALLICA Fans..

I Dont really Know What You Think About Linkin Park..

and I'm Not Saying That METALLICA Are Bad... They're Good and May Be They're Best Band In The World For Someone.. But I Simply Dont Like Them.
If All People Think Same Then WHy The Hell We Get Brains To Think Diffrently..!

To Me LINKIN PARK Are The Best Band In The World WHether They Only SOld 1 Copy Of Their Album.

[Moonmike]

Every one take their Lyrics in their Own perspective and I Personally Think They're Revolutionary Poets. THey Have amazing Lyrics. And SInce I Have'nt Heard Metalica i wont Comment Them..!

Hey People Why The Hell We're Fighting Over this Matter On a Pure LP Board.

Listen All METALLICA Fans..

I Dont really Know What You Think About Linkin Park..

and I'm Not Saying That METALLICA Are Bad... They're Good and May Be They're Best Band In The World For Someone.. But I Simply Dont Like Them.
If All People Think Same Then WHy The Hell We Get Brains To Think Diffrently..!

To Me LINKIN PARK Are The Best Band In The World WHether They Only SOld 1 Copy Of Their Album.

If you never heard a Metallica song then just don't say they have bad lyrics. It's okay if you don't like Metallica but you should have said earlier that that's your opinion.
just because this the Linkin Park message board means that we aren't allowed to have an other opinion about LP? seriously, that's a weak comment...

It annoys me the length people will go to just to prove that "my band is better than your band". in reality, it all comes down to preference. If you like Metallica and don't like Linkin Park, that's fine, more power to you, but don't run your mouth to me about how shit LP are, because i do not share the same views and to be honest, if you feel the need to bag a band and their music, and even go out of your way just to do so, then seriously, you must be lacking something in your life.

it annoys me that LP fans say that Metallica is bullshit although they never heard or read a song by Metallica. They just bash them although they can't give any facts why Metallica is the worst and LP the best.

This thread is idiotic because those people which never heard a Metallica song, say "their lyrics are crap and the singer can't sing". I know a lot about LP (I even did a presentation about them) so I'm not the ignorant one. If you have no idea about music in general and the music business, just be quiet.

P.S.: I'm not even a hardcore Metallica fan but those incriminations against Metallica are just impudent...

[Aphelion]

Generally speaking, Metallica fans are ignorant assholes, just like the band they love. To them, there are 2 kinds of music: Metallica, and "shitty music."

*Disclaimer* I love Metallica's music. That doesn't mean they aren't some of the biggest dickheads in the music industry.

[Rocksquirrel]

Generally speaking, Metallica fans are ignorant assholes, just like the band they love. To them, there are 2 kinds of music: Metallica, and "shitty music."

*Disclaimer* I love Metallica's music. That doesn't mean they aren't some of the biggest dickheads in the music industry.

explanation please, to both.

[Moridin]

Generally speaking, Metallica fans are ignorant assholes, just like the band they love. To them, there are 2 kinds of music: Metallica, and "shitty music."

*Disclaimer* I love Metallica's music. That doesn't mean they aren't some of the biggest dickheads in the music industry.

Wait...... you're generalising an entire fanbase and a band, calling them ignorant assholes...... ahahaha, can you say the word "hypocrite"? :rolleyes:

Like I said before, there are arsehole fans in pretty much every fanbase, whether thats music, film, sports, whatever.

From what I've seen of Metallica as people, from fans who have met them, bands who have toured with them and videos I've watched of them (especially stuff from 2002 onwards) they treat people(fans and non-fans alike) with nothing but respect.
Machine Heads frontman, had nothing but good things to say about them here, read it yourself >http://www.machinehead1.com/diary.html

They have nothing but time for fans in M&G's or in public. In M&G's they'll gladly sign as much stuff as you want, take pics, chat, etc.
I recall one story of a guy who chatted with Lars for over 15mins in a M&G, you won't find that at an LP M&G.

Another guy last year followed Metallica around for a few gigs, Lars actually recognised him at the barrier during the show and pulled him out to rock out in the area between stage and crowd for the last few songs.
I could go on and on, but I won't.

Yeah they had a "Rockstar ego trip" in the late 90's, they're over that for years now.
Nobody's perfect, but Metallica are far from "the biggest dickheads in the Music Industry" even though get they get painted that way by the media.

[Abz]

i love linkin park and metallica and i have to say i never noticed that...do they?

[Moridin]

i love linkin park and metallica and i have to say i never noticed that...do they?

Quite a bit, not so much latey I don't think, It might be wearing off. Though everyone attacked them a week or two ago for the "Reviews" thing.

And I'm glad you love both bands, more proof that Metallica's fans don't all think a certain way.:)

[minuteman]

We'll see where this goes after "Death Magnetic" comes out, yeah? :p

[MissNatalie1984]

If you never heard a Metallica song then just don't say they have bad lyrics. It's okay if you don't like Metallica but you should have said earlier that that's your opinion.
just because this the Linkin Park message board means that we aren't allowed to have an other opinion about LP? seriously, that's a weak comment...



it annoys me that LP fans say that Metallica is bullshit although they never heard or read a song by Metallica. They just bash them although they can't give any facts why Metallica is the worst and LP the best.

This thread is idiotic because those people which never heard a Metallica song, say "their lyrics are crap and the singer can't sing". I know a lot about LP (I even did a presentation about them) so I'm not the ignorant one. If you have no idea about music in general and the music business, just be quiet.

P.S.: I'm not even a hardcore Metallica fan but those incriminations against Metallica are just impudent...


just to make one thing clear, i was not insinuating that Metallica are "bullshit", as i stated earlier in my post that i too, happen to like them.

the point i was trying to get across is that i'm a bigger linkin park fan than metallica fan. if a metallica fan is going to diss LP to me, then i don't want to hear it because i don't agree with that opinion.

that said, i don't think LP fans should go around bashing metallica fans for their musical tastes. if you don't like metallica, fine, but don't make it a point to say "oh their music is shit because [insert reason here].

i think it's a little rough to say a band is shit if one has never actually listened to their music. That would just be an unfair opinion.

people should just learn to agree to disagree and get over it.

again, i'll put forward the question as to why people are even comparing LP to Metallica when their musical stylings are so different anyways? it just seems kinda unfair to compare.

<3 Natalie

[minuteman]

Everyone does that. People usually judge bands solely on their name or song titles or physical appearance. :rolleyes:

[MissNatalie1984]

it's a shame really. i like to have faith that the human race isn't so conceited, but when people judge music like that, it makes me wonder...

[Vavi]

ok metallica HAD done good music in the past..
they WERE massive,but now they're not less commercial than linkin park.

[Moonmike]

just to make one thing clear, i was not insinuating that Metallica are "bullshit", as i stated earlier in my post that i too, happen to like them.

the point i was trying to get across is that i'm a bigger linkin park fan than metallica fan. if a metallica fan is going to diss LP to me, then i don't want to hear it because i don't agree with that opinion.

that said, i don't think LP fans should go around bashing metallica fans for their musical tastes. if you don't like metallica, fine, but don't make it a point to say "oh their music is shit because [insert reason here].

i think it's a little rough to say a band is shit if one has never actually listened to their music. That would just be an unfair opinion.

people should just learn to agree to disagree and get over it.


but some people here say exactly that. They are the ones who are judging unfair...

and well, the second part of my post was more focused on the whole thread, not on your post. sorry for the confusion =/

again, i'll put forward the question as to why people are even comparing LP to Metallica when their musical stylings are so different anyways? it just seems kinda unfair to compare.

<3 Natalie

ask the thread starter. I'm sure he can answer your question ;)

[Rocksquirrel]

We'll see where this goes after "Death Magnetic" comes out, yeah? :p

This album title sounds awful. I'm glad that it will sound something like Master Of Puppets. Otherwise I would think what shitty music is on it, hehe.

At least it won't end up Pop/Rock like, haha. *rolleyes*

[SuLFURIC_ACID]

comparing LP to Metallica when their musical stylings are so different anyways? it just seems kinda unfair to compare.

Read The First Post And The Whole Story I've Written There After Disappointing By A Crap Discussion With Some Metallica Fans On ORKUT.

i Just Made This Topic Due To Some Anger I Was'nt Mean to Compare Both Bands I Know They Belong To Diffrent Genre's Of RoCK !

[matuse]

if metalica fans hates Linkin-Park fans thean Metalica fans are stupid !!!!!!!!! love Linkin Park!!!! RESPECT !!!!!!!

[Moridin]

We'll see where this goes after "Death Magnetic" comes out, yeah? :p

haha, ;)

ok metallica HAD done good music in the past..
they WERE massive,but now they're not less commercial than linkin park.

They're still massive, just look at the crowds they draw to their shows!

This album title sounds awful. I'm glad that it will sound something like Master Of Puppets. Otherwise I would think what shitty music is on it, hehe.

I didn't like the title when it was announced, but it has grown on me, like I'd forget about it for a while then remember it and think "Death Magnetic....... that sounds pretty cool"

They're not aiming for it to sound/be Puppets2. But it certainly seems they're writing a similar style they used back then, heavy, fast, melodic, slow.
Have you checked out missionmetallica.com?
I'm liking what I hear


Read The First Post And The Whole Story I've Written There After Disappointing By A Crap Discussion With Some Metallica Fans On ORKUT.


Please don't judge Metallica fans (or any other bands fans) based on 1 group of people. Some people are just assholes :)

I've already stated I'm a huge fan of both bands, and others here like both too.

[Moridin]

woops double post.

[Rocksquirrel]

I didn't like the title when it was announced, but it has grown on me, like I'd forget about it for a while then remember it and think "Death Magnetic....... that sounds pretty cool:) "

They're not aiming for it to sound/be Puppets2. But it certainly seems they're writing a similar style they used back then, heavy, fast, melodic, slow.
Have you checked out missionmetallica.com?
I'm liking what I hear :D

I think that "Deagnetic" sounds cooler =P but I'll get used to this lame album title.
They are going back to their roots. Improving in their style.
Of course I did. I joined today, haha. Yeah, sounds nice. I was reading some reviews and the album will be pretty sweet. I missed Hammet's guitar solos so much. They will come back =D

But September is so far away.

[MissNatalie1984]

Read The First Post And The Whole Story I've Written There After Disappointing By A Crap Discussion With Some Metallica Fans On ORKUT.

i Just Made This Topic Due To Some Anger I Was'nt Mean to Compare Both Bands I Know They Belong To Diffrent Genre's Of RoCK !

i did read your first post. i understand the question originally was who has the biggest fanbase and why do Metallica fans hate LP so much, it's just having read all the other posts in this thread as well, i felt the need to go a little more in depth into the matter. that's only because when it comes to band bashing i have strong feelings about it.

my comment wasn't directed at your statement, it was just an observation in general that i wanted to get out there. :)

but some people here say exactly that. They are the ones who are judging unfair...

and well, the second part of my post was more focused on the whole thread, not on your post. sorry for the confusion =/

no sweat, i just figured if what you were saying was directed at me, i wanted to be able to at least back it up.

if people have really never ever heard a metallica song they should at least make an effort to listen to one of their more popular songs just so they can a) hear what all the commotion is about and b) at least then, even though it's one song, they will have a starting point to base their theory on.

<3 Natalie

[Aphelion]

explanation please, to both.

Linkin Park has gotten bottled at ONE show in the past SEVEN YEARS: A show where they were opening for Metallica in Ireland. Coincidence? Doubt it. When it comes to bands with elitist dickheads for fans, Metallica is right up there with Nine Inch Nails as one of the worst. LP's fans have been polite towards just about every act that has toured with them, whether it be Snoop Dogg, Taking Back Sunday, Coheed and Cambria, Mindless Self Indulgence, or whoever. Even if they may not have LIKED them, they had the fucking decency to not act negatively towards them. Metallica fans are a bunch of douchebags who will boo, flip off, and throw shit at any band that doesn't please them. They're assholes, end of story.

And any band who will sue their fans, regardless of the reason, are a bunch of money-craving egomaniacs.

[Rocksquirrel]

Linkin Park has gotten bottled at ONE show in the past SEVEN YEARS: A show where they were opening for Metallica in Ireland. Coincidence? Doubt it. When it comes to bands with elitist dickheads for fans, Metallica is right up there with Nine Inch Nails as one of the worst. LP's fans have been polite towards just about every act that has toured with them, whether it be Snoop Dogg, Taking Back Sunday, Coheed and Cambria, Mindless Self Indulgence, or whoever. Even if they may not have LIKED them, they had the fucking decency to not act negatively towards them. Metallica fans are a bunch of douchebags who will boo, flip off, and throw shit at any band that doesn't please them.

Metallica fans are assholes, end of story.

aha, that's why you call all metallica fans assholes? You are a very good example for a LP fan. There you wonder why Metallica fans *metal fans in general* don't like LP. Seriously.

NIN got bottled like three times, e.g when NIN toured with Guns n' Roses.
There are reasons why a band get bottled. Probably LP doesn't fit with Metallica, Pearl Jam etc., just because there are a few fuckers who throw stuff at them doesn't mean that all fans are Assholes. Otherwise I could call all LP fans idiots just because you are one.

And it's not Metallica's fault if some people act like idiots.


And any band who will sue their fans, regardless of the reason, are a bunch of money-craving egomaniacs.

no, LP is cool. They don't wanna their fans money.



btw. Pearl Jam fans don't like LP either. Are those now assholes too?

[Vavi]

haha, ;)



They're still massive, just look at the crowds they draw to their shows!





I've already stated I'm a huge fan of both bands, and others here like both too.

man i like them too,but compared to linkin park they are out of date..they have faded,and you can listen st.anger to realize that.the songs there are just..jammin with the instruments

[Rocksquirrel]

man i like them too,but compared to linkin park they are out of date..they have faded,and you can listen st.anger to realize that.the songs there are just..jammin with the instruments

St. anger is the worst example you could have chosen. St.Anger was something like a cleaning phase for them. It was the time after Jason left Metallica and Rob joined then.

One really bad album doesn't speak for 25 years of music business. Wait until september and you will see.

[Vavi]

St. anger is the worst example you could have chosen. St.Anger was something like a cleaning phase for them. It was the time after Jason left Metallica and Rob joined then.

One really bad album doesn't speak for 25 years of music business. Wait until september and you will see.

making a bad album after lots of great ones is the best example
to show you that they have faded..

[Rocksquirrel]

making a bad album after lots of great ones is the best example
to show you that they have faded..

MTM?

Do you seriously expect pure perfection all the time? St.Anger was a style change which sucked. I know. But they realised it wasn't good so they are trying to sound more like "Master Of Puppets" and improving. Wait until September and you will see.

[Vavi]

MTM?

Do you seriously expect pure perfection all the time? St.Anger was a style change which sucked. I know. But they realised it wasn't good so they are trying to sound more like "Master Of Puppets" and improving.

MTM is not bad at all..

of course I dont't expect it!and it's logical that they can't reach it anymore,cos they've grown way old..Wait until september and you'll see.

[Rocksquirrel]

MTM is not bad at all..

of course I dont't expect it!and it's logical that they can't reach it anymore,cos they've grown way old..Wait until september and you'll see.

MTM is like St.Anger. => Style change. Many fans don't like it but still it sells.

Who says they can't reach it anymore? If a band exists over 20 years it's a sign that they can't suck so much. it won't be "kill em all" but 1200% better than St.Anger.

Check out missionmetallica.com or search for "Death Magnetic" reviews. Compare those with reviews for MTM.

It's getting off-topic.

[Moridin]

I think that "Deagnetic" sounds cooler =P but I'll get used to this lame album title.
They are going back to their roots. Improving in their style.
Of course I did. I joined today, haha. Yeah, sounds nice. I was reading some reviews and the album will be pretty sweet. I missed Hammet's guitar solos so much. They will come back =D

But September is so far away.

Septemberrrrr:mad:
At least we'll get a new song or 2 by late August, they said they'll deffinately play something by then :)

Linkin Park has gotten bottled at ONE show in the past SEVEN YEARS: A show where they were opening for Metallica in Ireland. Coincidence? Doubt it. When it comes to bands with elitist dickheads for fans, Metallica is right up there with Nine Inch Nails as one of the worst. LP's fans have been polite towards just about every act that has toured with them, whether it be Snoop Dogg, Taking Back Sunday, Coheed and Cambria, Mindless Self Indulgence, or whoever. Even if they may not have LIKED them, they had the fucking decency to not act negatively towards them. Metallica fans are a bunch of douchebags who will boo, flip off, and throw shit at any band that doesn't please them. They're assholes, end of story.

And any band who will sue their fans, regardless of the reason, are a bunch of money-craving egomaniacs.

You've, for some reason, neglected to mention LPs whole Summer Sanitarium supporting Metallica in 2003, which passed without "incident".

And Metallica have never sued their fans.
You're so misinformed..... and apparently determined to spread it.:rolleyes:

man i like them too,but compared to linkin park they are out of date..they have faded,and you can listen st.anger to realize that.the songs there are just..jammin with the instruments

But "jammin" is exactly what they were going for with St Anger. They wanted to sound like a band jammin in their garage. They achieved that even if it's a bad album (although there are some great ideas in there).

Here, Bob Rocks words on the album:
ML: We don’t have much time left, so let me ask you how was it working with Metallica and can you comment on the St. Anger album?
BR: “It was the best and happiest fifteen years and some more stuff. It’s the extreme of emotions with those guys. Fifteen years of my life is a long time and it was fantastic. It was the best anybody could hope for. As for St. Anger, lots of controversy there.”

ML: A big controversy was the drum sound...
BR: “Well... yeah. Realistically though if you really think about it – it was the fact that there was NO real songs. That was because the guy who writes the songs – couldn’t write the songs because of where he was personally. So, what St. Anger became was what the band could do at that point and it is exactly that. It was riffs strung together... The way I look at it was like raw power or a garage band. It was just riffs... It was garage band and that was supposed to sound like that and what I learned out of it is that people in metal just don’t want it to change. So, it’s best that Rick Rubin continue the metal thing and not Bob.”

ML: It was also criticized for not having guitar solos...
BR: “Everybody has their theories, but the truth... You watch the movie and you think it’s some big conspiracy, but the truth is that Kirk had a chance to do a solo on every one of the songs. The only thing we said is ‘if the solo doesn’t add something – then we’re not going to add it.’ That’s the truth. It was like ‘Kirk you’ve got as much time as you want. Come up with something original and great... That doesn’t date it’. They were just trying to reach for something new and basically every time he did (come up with a solo); James and Lars (with me) said ‘No, it’s better without.’ And it came down to nothing is really sounding great so ‘ok, let’s not have solos.’ That’s the truth and Kirk agreed, but of course if you look at the movie... They took two and a half years and had to put a movie together so they grabbed all this stuff and kind of formed a way that it could be looked at, but it has nothing to do with what happened.”

ML: Movies only semi-reflect reality at the best of times.
BR: “Yeah, exactly. It was a good learning process for me. The more we get into those kinds of documentaries – it becomes something else. It’s not necessarily the truth. It’s an angle or a view of the truth and the truth of St. Anger was the band was broken-up. They were done.”

ML: Just by the fact that you were playing bass on it shows that they weren’t a band. They weren’t four guys.
BR: “They had three guys, but two of them couldn’t stand to be in the same room. They had all these problems personally and they never wanted to be with each other in the same room or speak to each other again. They broke-up. There was a couple of weeks to a month where it was over. All I did because I played bass when we put together the Mission Impossible song... They said ‘we can’t really add somebody new at this point. Just do what you did with Mission Impossible.’ I was there as a friend and not as a producer and if I made a mistake – that was it. I didn’t do what other guys would do which is ‘just phone me when you got the songs’. There are producers that do that. They don’t really do anything – they go ‘just write the songs and when they’re good, I’ll record them’. I didn’t do that – these guys are my friends. I love these guys. They’re falling apart and I’ve got to be with them so be it. I was there because I was a friend. I stuck with them for two and a half years of my life because they needed someone. That’s what I was there for. We stuck together and basically what Metallica fans have got to realize is - St. Anger is the reason why they’re still a band and if I was the sacrificial lamb then so be it. I’d rather have those guys now, as human beings, and me not work with them than anything. I just wish them the best of luck. They’re just a huge band and amazing musicians. I’ve nothing, but great things to say about them.”

[Rocksquirrel]

Septemberrrrr:mad:
At least we'll get a new song or 2 by late August, they said they'll deffinately play something by then :)

Yay! I can't wait until they will tour again really.


You've, for some reason, neglected to mention LPs whole Summer Sanitarium supporting Metallica in 2003, which passed without "incident".

And Metallica have never sued their fans.
You're so misinformed..... and apparently determined to spread it.:rolleyes:



But "jammin" is exactly what they were going for with St Anger. They wanted to sound like a band jammin in their garage. They achieved that even if it's a bad album (although there are some great ideas in there).

Here, Bob Rocks words on the album:
ML: We don’t have much time left, so let me ask you how was it working with Metallica and can you comment on the St. Anger album?
BR: “It was the best and happiest fifteen years and some more stuff. It’s the extreme of emotions with those guys. Fifteen years of my life is a long time and it was fantastic. It was the best anybody could hope for. As for St. Anger, lots of controversy there.”

ML: A big controversy was the drum sound...
BR: “Well... yeah. Realistically though if you really think about it – it was the fact that there was NO real songs. That was because the guy who writes the songs – couldn’t write the songs because of where he was personally. So, what St. Anger became was what the band could do at that point and it is exactly that. It was riffs strung together... The way I look at it was like raw power or a garage band. It was just riffs... It was garage band and that was supposed to sound like that and what I learned out of it is that people in metal just don’t want it to change. So, it’s best that Rick Rubin continue the metal thing and not Bob.”

ML: It was also criticized for not having guitar solos...
BR: “Everybody has their theories, but the truth... You watch the movie and you think it’s some big conspiracy, but the truth is that Kirk had a chance to do a solo on every one of the songs. The only thing we said is ‘if the solo doesn’t add something – then we’re not going to add it.’ That’s the truth. It was like ‘Kirk you’ve got as much time as you want. Come up with something original and great... That doesn’t date it’. They were just trying to reach for something new and basically every time he did (come up with a solo); James and Lars (with me) said ‘No, it’s better without.’ And it came down to nothing is really sounding great so ‘ok, let’s not have solos.’ That’s the truth and Kirk agreed, but of course if you look at the movie... They took two and a half years and had to put a movie together so they grabbed all this stuff and kind of formed a way that it could be looked at, but it has nothing to do with what happened.”

ML: Movies only semi-reflect reality at the best of times.
BR: “Yeah, exactly. It was a good learning process for me. The more we get into those kinds of documentaries – it becomes something else. It’s not necessarily the truth. It’s an angle or a view of the truth and the truth of St. Anger was the band was broken-up. They were done.”

ML: Just by the fact that you were playing bass on it shows that they weren’t a band. They weren’t four guys.
BR: “They had three guys, but two of them couldn’t stand to be in the same room. They had all these problems personally and they never wanted to be with each other in the same room or speak to each other again. They broke-up. There was a couple of weeks to a month where it was over. All I did because I played bass when we put together the Mission Impossible song... They said ‘we can’t really add somebody new at this point. Just do what you did with Mission Impossible.’ I was there as a friend and not as a producer and if I made a mistake – that was it. I didn’t do what other guys would do which is ‘just phone me when you got the songs’. There are producers that do that. They don’t really do anything – they go ‘just write the songs and when they’re good, I’ll record them’. I didn’t do that – these guys are my friends. I love these guys. They’re falling apart and I’ve got to be with them so be it. I was there because I was a friend. I stuck with them for two and a half years of my life because they needed someone. That’s what I was there for. We stuck together and basically what Metallica fans have got to realize is - St. Anger is the reason why they’re still a band and if I was the sacrificial lamb then so be it. I’d rather have those guys now, as human beings, and me not work with them than anything. I just wish them the best of luck. They’re just a huge band and amazing musicians. I’ve nothing, but great things to say about them.”

THANK YOU SO MUCH for posting this! :)

[Moonmike]

Linkin Park has gotten bottled at ONE show in the past SEVEN YEARS: A show where they were opening for Metallica in Ireland. Coincidence? Doubt it. When it comes to bands with elitist dickheads for fans, Metallica is right up there with Nine Inch Nails as one of the worst. LP's fans have been polite towards just about every act that has toured with them, whether it be Snoop Dogg, Taking Back Sunday, Coheed and Cambria, Mindless Self Indulgence, or whoever. Even if they may not have LIKED them, they had the fucking decency to not act negatively towards them. Metallica fans are a bunch of douchebags who will boo, flip off, and throw shit at any band that doesn't please them. They're assholes, end of story.

And any band who will sue their fans, regardless of the reason, are a bunch of money-craving egomaniacs.

wow, you just insulted me twice!
your comment is based on insulting Metallica fans and has no facts in it.

I could say the same thing about NIN because they were insulted, bottled and booed like thousand of times and if a band can't handle criticism of an audience they should split up.

I could start to insult you but I don't want to be such an immature, childish, narrow minded dude. go and get good music taste..

[Moridin]

Yay! I can't wait until they will tour again really.

THANK YOU SO MUCH for posting this! :)

Neither can I!
My friend just told me today that he can actually go with me to see them in Dublin in August :D. He had things on for that time but they were cancelled. I'm so fuckin stoked!

No problemo, I found it interesting and it sums up St Anger:) .

I was going to edit my last post to say this but you replied too fast! lol. I'll just put it here:
The dynamics within the band are so different these days to what they were back then. They're on fire live, looks like they're really enjoying working together in studio and they've really embraced Rob.
I just watched Rob show the rest of them a new idea he came up with on accoustic guitar, a kind of flamenco styled thing that Hetfield then played on electric guitar, sounded awesome:D

[bunny_bennoda2508]

too long :eek:

[Rocksquirrel]

Neither can I!
My friend just told me today that he can actually go with me to see them in Dublin in August :D. He had things on for that time but they were cancelled. I'm so fuckin stoked!

No problemo, I found it interesting and it sums up St Anger:) .

I was going to edit my last post to say this but you replied too fast! lol. I'll just put it here:
The dynamics within the band are so different these days to what they were back then. They're on fire live, looks like they're really enjoying working together in studio and they've really embraced Rob.
I just watched Rob show the rest of them a new idea he came up with on accoustic guitar, a kind of flamenco styled thing that Hetfield then played on electric guitar, sounded awesome:D


I'll have friends to go and see them in Frankfurt! =D I won't need to pay nothing for tix because it'll be a birthday present from my brother. Muahahahahaah.

It's difficult to explain St.Anger not Metallica listeners. You took some work for me =P

yes! They are so motivated and into work. I'm pretty sure it will sound awesome. And Rob is really doing fine. He is a very good replacement for Jason. It'll be Rob's first Metallica album where he actually plays the bass.

[Sandy444]

I myself am a fan of both bands and I know many people that are, too. And from what I saw on the Live In Texas DVD the Metallica fans were pretty into LP and really enjoyed their set.
I would love to see my two favorite bands tour together again, but this time in Europe.;)

[aravind221]

i like both... both are diffrent genre's shoudnt compare btw them. few rock hard metallica fans just dont want to loose their pride so criticize other bands but metallica and Linkin park have a good relationship who cares abt those fans :D

[Girl_Sailor]

circle jerked in Seaside Heights!

wait what are we talking about again?

[Instigator]

im sure it's been said, i havent bothered to look through the whole thread :) but the reason most metallica fans hate lp is probably because lp were a band that encourage their fans to download their music! lp were born out of an era where internet activity was crucial. whereas if you didn't hear kill 'em all on your -own- copy of vynal the day it came out metallica fans wouldnt even consider you a fan.

even i downloaded one step closer before i bought hybrid theory all those years ago -reminisces-

[Moonmike]

im sure it's been said, i havent bothered to look through the whole thread :) but the reason most metallica fans hate lp is probably because lp were a band that encourage their fans to download their music! lp were born out of an era where internet activity was crucial. whereas if you didn't hear kill 'em all on your -own- copy of vynal the day it came out metallica fans wouldnt even consider you a fan.

even i downloaded one step closer before i bought hybrid theory all those years ago -reminisces-

I don't think that's the reason. If so, Metallica would hate LP because Metallica said a long time ago that they are against downloading illegal files (which has changed because now they're supporting to download files and such things).
Metallica fans are downloading illegal files, too. I'm sure about that.

It's just that people categorize/had categorize LP as nu-metal and LP are definitely not metal *. To consider a band is metal although they are truly not, can make a music lover a bit hateful. It's like Tokio Hotel would be categorize in the same genre (do the same type of music) as LP, which is wrong.

For me ,as a little metalhead, it's like someone would categorize a band as death metal although you can hear that they're metalcore. Sometimes you just think those people are stupid human beings without any knowledge of music.

Oh, I thought this thread would be already dead. Well, I still wait for an answer of Mr. Aphelion...

*Speaking about the old LP style

[Sandy444]

I don't think that's the reason. If so, Metallica would hate LP because Metallica said a long time ago that they are against downloading illegal files (which has changed because now they're supporting to download files and such things).
Metallica fans are downloading illegal files, too. I'm sure about that.

It's just that people categorize/had categorize LP as nu-metal and LP are definitely not metal *. To consider a band is metal although they are truly not, can make a music lover a bit hateful. It's like Tokio Hotel would be categorize in the same genre (do the same type of music) as LP, which is wrong.

For me ,as a little metalhead, it's like someone would categorize a band as death metal although you can hear that they're metalcore. Sometimes you just think those people are stupid human beings without any knowledge of music.

Oh, I thought this thread would be already dead. Well, I still wait for an answer of Mr. Aphelion...

*Speaking about the old LP style

Wow, these people must be really close minded then, if they hate LP only because they're not "metal". I mean, everyone should just listen to music and stop categorizing everything.
And on a sidenote, LP never called themselves nu-metal, it was just the people who have to set a label on everything they listen to.

[Rocksquirrel]

Wow, these people must be really close minded then, if they hate LP only because they're not "metal". I mean, everyone should just listen to music and stop categorizing everything.
And on a sidenote, LP never called themselves nu-metal, it was just the people who have to set a label on everything they listen to.

you can't read girl. Moonmike never said that LP called themselves nu-metal.

It's just that people categorize/had categorize LP as nu-metal and LP are definitely not metal *.

btw, little sidenote:

Metal fans aren't close minded. They listen to Jazz, Industrial, Metalcore, folk etc. also. Besides that all metal sub-genre have elements from different music genres. It's pretty impossible to be narrow minded in music as metalhead.

It's not only that lp is labeled as nu-metal. Usually it are just LP fans who tell metalheads how metal LP is. "So hard and heavy. Chester's screaming is the best etc.". It's crap.

[aravind221]

Originally Posted by Moonmike
It's just that people categorize/had categorize LP as nu-metal and LP are definitely not metal *.


so nu metal is not part of metal r what ? u must have heard hybrid theory, meteora and u say lp is not metal what man

[Moonmike]

so nu metal is not part of metal r what ? u must have heard hybrid theory, meteora and u say lp is not metal what man

I heard that albums and I even own them but this (http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=A5sx7OFPGOY) song compared to that (http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=mUywH11mI6c) song or this (http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=danEuXSTjMw) one is a very huge difference. Metal is a bit more than screaming and trying to play electric guitar...

btw.
Not even metalcore is metal. Just because a genre has the word "metal" in its name, doesn't have to mean it's metal.

[NoFace]

Linkin Park is not metal.

And every fandom has its idiots, that explained all the hatred around (the idiots who think that Linkin Park is RLY HEAVEY and the idiots who think that they will look cooler when they hate popular bands like LP).

Not most Metallica fans hate LP - this statement itself is wrong, so why arguing over it anyway?