With whom would you like 2 c LP collabarate with?

[Anant_lp]

I would love 2 c da band collabarate with coldplay,or,depeche mode,akon.Heck,how about collision course II.

[NoFace]

Akon? He molested a kid, ain't it?
>.>
<.<

[Anant_lp]

Sorry man,i was just throwin up random names...But honestly what's ur choice.I've alrdy told mine...

[NoFace]

Oh don't sorry, dear. I was just wondering about Akon that's all :)
I would love to see more collabs with artists like Lupe Fiasco or Kanye West (he is said to be racist, but whatever). I love collabs with hiphop artist, but to be honest, LP fans don't appreciate it much. Some can't really open their minds, hm

[Reem]

i like your CC II idea, thats gotta be cool, something quiet different to who they are, maybe something with evanescence some time i like amy's voice so it would be interesting to hear both her and chester's voices with mike's rapping.Some official remixes with fort minor would be interesting, so yeah something with the SOB boys would do, Lupe Fiasco was a good one, he's quiet good.
and akon molested a kid? man what the?

[illustrator_jen]

Muse. Radiohead. And hell yeah Coldplay!

[NoFace]

Muse and Radiohead! If LP have ever collab with the rock side, those are my choices too. Or NIN, because everyone loves Trent, lol

[Rocksquirrel]

Or NIN, because everyone loves Trent, lol

That will never happen. LP would never give something for FREE :P

I am interested how LP & U2 would sound together...

[MarathonMan]

That will never happen. LP would never give something for FREE :P

I am interested how LP & U2 would sound together...

That would be a good idea. How about LP and P.O.D.?

[NoFace]

That will never happen. LP would never give something for FREE :P

I am interested how LP & U2 would sound together...

those meanie bastards, lol

I don't think LP and P.O.D will go well together since they're kinda similar in some way. I'd love to listen to a collab with artists who have different music styles.

[Rocksquirrel]

those meanie bastards, lol

I'd love to listen to a collab with artists who have different music styles.

Old Meteora/Hybrid LP with MTM LP, haha.

*sorry, I couldn't resist.*

EDIT: Guns n' roses + Chester's voice = bueno.

[Anant_lp]

Man i hope da bands reading dis coz...its a coincidence dat MTM n jay z's new album hav cum out more or less 2gethr...so pretty possble dat CC II sounds like...bring it on man!
n i happn 2 b a coldplay fan 2 so if they do collabarate,i'd kill 2 hear -'NUMB CLOCKS'.i think it wil sound out of dis world.

[minuteman]

I love these threads. :D

I'd love to see Mike or Chester do some sh*t with The Crystal Method. Or feature on some Team Sleep sh*t, 'cause that'd be awesome.

LP as a whole? Probably Timbaland. I hear that collaboration is in the works. I don't have much of an idea of who I'd want LP as a band to collaborate with.

I mean, I'd go for my easy answer; Klayton or Trent Reznor ... but I don't see how that could really work with LP. :)

[AmyLynette_91]

hahahaha maybe with a female???? amy lee maybe great... avenged sevenfold...

[Titan50]

I'd love to see Mike or Chester do some sh*t with The Crystal Method.

Actualy...:rolleyes:

[mratrak]

I want LP to collabarate with Eminem or with 50 cent.But i think it's better with Eminem,they will make a very good collabrate together i think:D

[minuteman]

Oh, and The Corrs, of course. :rolleyes:

[NoFace]

Elton John! Boy George! George Michael! weee!

[Reem]

I want LP to collabarate with Eminem or with 50 cent.But i think it's better with Eminem,they will make a very good collabrate together i think:D
with 50 cent? that'd be weird as i wouldnt wanna listen to it lol

[Anant_lp]

Well its not really a bad idea reem...like,consider this we have 50's 'IN THE CLUB',add LP,n we get 'HIT THE FLOOR IN THE CLUB'!Or 'ONE STEP CLOSER TO THE CANDY SHOP'...wtf?nah reem you're right,its a terrible idea if 50 n LP 'collide'!

[Reem]

lol not just that, 50's lyrics are discusting,mostly (if not all) so think of a line like, come and give me a hug(cleanest example lol) and say i can't feel you there, that might work actualy but rememebr other stuff 50 says.... doesnt work much does it?

[Anant_lp]

50 has an unusual sense of music,n his sensibilities dont match with those of LP...They are poles apart.by the way,i'm a guy from india,and you?

[DMCMaster550]

Dream Theater/Iron Maiden (they could teach LP a few things)

Muse, Thousand Foot Krutch, Poets of the Fall, or Smashing Pumpkins

[Titan50]

Slipknot anyone?

[DMCMaster550]

Slipknot anyone?

Hell yeah that'd be kick ass, lets see if Rob could hang with Joey

[Reem]

Slipknot anyone?
oh yea,that might work actualy,tho slipknot's beat might be to quick sorta thing,mm meehh like any ones gonna listen to us any way:p

[Titan50]

The vocals Jonathan Davis did in the One Step Closer remix was fucking kickass, LP should definitely collab with Korn another time

[DMCMaster550]

The vocals Jonathan Davis did in the One Step Closer remix was fucking kickass, LP should definitely collab with Korn another time

That is if Korn is still going to be around. As many members as they lose soon it's just going to be Jonathan Davis, they're spiralling down.

[DMCMaster550]

I want LP to collabarate with Eminem or with 50 cent.But i think it's better with Eminem,they will make a very good collabrate together i think:D

Maybe Eminem but 50 freakin sucks he ain't good no talent no nothing.

Also I think Eminem and 50 would both be too high on themselves to go and collab with LP it would ruin they're rep, they're too cool to collaborate with a rock band like LP especially since LP's got stuff like In the End and Shadow of the Day, and Eminem and 50 have crap like Magic Stick, White America and Candy Shop.

It'd be impossible to collab even Fort Minor's In Stereo with any of 50s or Eminem's stuff, how would LP work.

[Anant_lp]

I know it could sound unusual but i think it would be a gud collab.cause DM is like high on techno,and LP,well we all know whats LP all about...and imagine something like 'i feel numb'

[Titan50]

Maybe Eminem but 50 freakin sucks he ain't good no talent no nothing.

Also I think Eminem and 50 would both be too high on themselves to go and collab with LP it would ruin they're rep, they're too cool to collaborate with a rock band like LP especially since LP's got stuff like In the End and Shadow of the Day, and Eminem and 50 have crap like Magic Stick, White America and Candy Shop.

It'd be impossible to collab even Fort Minor's In Stereo with any of 50s or Eminem's stuff, how would LP work.

Eminem did a sort of collab with Aerosmith for Sing for the Moment

[MarathonMan]

How about Deftones? Or have they already split with their friendship after the Chino incedent?

[cloudscream]

LP with Dir en grey... that would be awesome.

[Anant_lp]

Audioslave anyone?

[Reem]

How about Deftones? Or have they already split with their friendship after the Chino incedent?
what happened?

[AmyLynette_91]

50 cent??? oh man ... not a good idea to collab with.. oh man the video will be horrible... pole dancing?? girls?? man nothing wrong with girls but its kinda dirty.. if.. hahah no way!! but who knows anything can happen...LP will be pollutted... i guess the swearing becomes more obvious in MTM after the collab with JZ... but it is cool though... JZ is so cool!!

[MarathonMan]

what happened?

During LP's early years (2000 - 2001) LP and Deftones were good friends. As a matter of fact, LP created a tour in 2001 called LP supports Deftones. Then in 2003, LP and Deftones went on the Summer Sanitarium tour, but Deftones were put on as a subheadliner in front of LP and Limp Bizket. The lead singer for Deftones, Chino, didn't like this and said that if it weren't for Deftones, LP and Limp Bizket wouldn't even be in the music buisness. And then later he apologized and said he was way out of line and that what he said was not true. Ever since then, I havn't heard anything about LP and Deftones doing stuff together.

[DMCMaster550]

Eminem did a sort of collab with Aerosmith for Sing for the Moment

Yeah he did, but that song got ruined. Maybe Eminem wouldn't be all high on himself to turn LP down.

[Rocksquirrel]

Yeah he did, but that song got ruined. Maybe Eminem wouldn't be all high on himself to turn LP down.

I think, "sing for the moment" is a really good song. It was a good combo with "Dream on".

I think Eminem is too talented for LP, at least for collaborations.

[shinoda_me]

i'd like LP to collaborate with Lacuna Coil (but i do NOT wanna hear that GUY in the band sing... he's :| when it comes to live performance )
or maybe Evanescence ..

[Reem]

During LP's early years (2000 - 2001) LP and Deftones were good friends. As a matter of fact, LP created a tour in 2001 called LP supports Deftones. Then in 2003, LP and Deftones went on the Summer Sanitarium tour, but Deftones were put on as a subheadliner in front of LP and Limp Bizket. The lead singer for Deftones, Chino, didn't like this and said that if it weren't for Deftones, LP and Limp Bizket wouldn't even be in the music buisness. And then later he apologized and said he was way out of line and that what he said was not true. Ever since then, I havn't heard anything about LP and Deftones doing stuff together.
i see, cool, cheers for telling me.

[minuteman]

I'd like to see them collaborate with Ladytron. :cool: Or, hell,How about Deftones? Or have they already split with their friendship after the Chino incedent?I'd really like to see Mike work with Chino on some Team Sleep or Fort Minor sh*t. Imagine an FM song with Chino on the hook ... :rolleyes:

[ZARAcutie]

Coldplay is pretty good...

[NoFace]

I think, "sing for the moment" is a really good song. It was a good combo with "Dream on".

I think Eminem is too talented for LP, at least for collaborations.

What? And what do you call Jay-Z? Eminem is too homophobic for LP, I'd say

[Rocksquirrel]

What? And what do you call Jay-Z? Eminem is too homophobic for LP, I'd say

Eminem and Jay-Z have two different rapping styles and rap lyrics. Eminem does barely songs about hot chiks and jigga jigga. Mostly the lyrics are critical or about his life.

[NoFace]

Eminem and Jay-Z have two different rapping styles and rap lyrics. Eminem does barely songs about hot chiks and jigga jigga. Mostly the lyrics are critical or about his life.

I don't think rapping about shooting your cum into your mom and have a kid with her, or bashing other celebrities is the deepest thing around. Eminem's songs has its shallow sides like anyone else's.

Since we're talking about rap, chicks and 'jigga jigga' are part of it, since the very start. There are more to judge a rapper's talent than the old same old 'oh my god it's all guns and sex!'. Eminem raps a lot about those things too, not 'barely', and Jay-Z has thoughtful lyrics as well. As a hiphop listener, I found your statement a little bit superficial. It's like someone saying about metal 'so boring and annoying cause it's all scream and screak'. If you don't wanna hear about those things, then you can dish the whole history of rap/hiphop as well.

Talking about talent, I'm pretty sure that not only me but the world has agreed on one thing that's Jay-Z is just as much talented as Eminem. If it's something to do with your own taste, then I have no comment on it. But it's pretty ridiculous to say that he's too 'talented' to work with LP.

[Rocksquirrel]

I don't think rapping about shooting your cum into your mom and have a kid with her, or bashing other celebrities is the deepest thing around. Eminem's songs has its shallow sides like anyone else's.

Since we're talking about rap, chicks and 'jigga jigga' are part of it, since the very start. There are more to judge a rapper's talent than the old same old 'oh my god it's all guns and sex!'. Eminem raps a lot about those things too, not 'barely', and Jay-Z has thoughtful lyrics as well. As a hiphop listener, I found your statement a little bit superficial. It's like someone saying about metal 'so boring and annoying cause it's all scream and screak'. If you don't wanna hear about those things, then you can dish the whole history of rap/hiphop as well.

Talking about talent, I'm pretty sure that not only me but the world has agreed on one thing that's Jay-Z is just as much talented as Eminem. If it's something to do with your own taste, then I have no comment on it. But it's pretty ridiculous to say that he's too 'talented' to work with LP.

Rap was at the beginning autobiographical and about issues in life. Think about 2pac for example.
This was the pure rap. I didn't say Jay-Z has no talent. Of course he have, otherwise he wouldn't be so famous after so many years. I like a few songs because they have beat.

I didn't say something about rap general, did I? I just compared Jay-Z with Eminem. I like even Snoop Dogg for example though his lyrics are, well, you know.

I like Eminem's style more than Jay-Z's. It's more critical and Jay-Z is very party *I know, he has serious songs as well like "Hard Knock Life" etc.*

Did Jay-Z something like an album about his inner feelings? I doubt that. Rap is something like modern poetry though very few artists do it good. And I'm not talking about the underground rappers because I'm not so informed about it. But all the famous one's. Barely you find a good song now days. But only my opinion.

It's far more difficult to avoid Rap than metal, sorry. Because the majority listens to popular music. We both know that metal music is very complex and first of all listen to lyrics. And I said something about the lyrics plot in rap and not the melody or music. Like you said metal is only screaming etc, I know it was just an example from you. You say something about the music but not the plot of the lyrics of metal. I wasn't saying anything about the beat.

Eminem has a very quick style. Rhymes much. Is focused only on one point at the lyrics. He tells his opinion.

Mike Shinoda is more of a story-teller. Many metaphors. A "slow" rapping. Shinoda tells more general things. It's not clear to see in which side he stands. He don't want to give a statement. He isn't focused on one point. He tells a whole story. Of course, he isn't bad at all. I enjoy his lyrics because you can imagine what he thinks. It gives space to interpret. And he neither tells something about sex, guns and cash. I would say he is a good rapper. It would be difficult to collaborates Eminem and Mike because of the different styles how to to construct a rap song.

Probably the word "talented" wasn't a good choice of me.Sorry for that.

With "talented" I wanted to express, that Eminem's songs are difficult. The way how the music is. Not every song sounds the same. Sometimes it has a good beat and sometimes it has piano, violins etc. "Talented" means for me in this case to be able to vary sounds and music and not being stuck at the same.


I can't define the perfect rapper because it's a form of art. It's very difficult to define art and it is the point of view of every single person.

[NoFace]

2pac raps about bitches/nigga/blingbling like everyone else. He just happens to be a poet and have some thoughtful songs other than his typical gangsta rap songs.

Rap did not start out 'autobiographical and about issues in life'. Rap started out for battles, and for battles, bragging is one important factor, and that would lead to the certain sex and violence vibe.

I'm pretty sure that Jay-Z has songs about how he feels about life, about his life, about society's issues. I love stuff like
"I stand behind mine everything I do I'm a man behind mine
I'm not a angel I'm sure but every night before I lay
I drop my knees to the floor and I pray". It's surely not just party life.

Oh but I guess I got what you wanna say about a collaboration between Em and LP. 'Difficult' will be the more suitable word :)

[MarathonMan]

I'd like to see them collaborate with Ladytron. :cool: Or, hell,I'd really like to see Mike work with Chino on some Team Sleep or Fort Minor sh*t. Imagine an FM song with Chino on the hook ... :rolleyes:

That sounds pretty cool.

[murtza]

I'd like it if they did a collab with Birdman & Lil' Wayne, but it should be all new stuff!!

[MarathonMan]

I'd like to see them collaborate with Ladytron. :cool: Or, hell,I'd really like to see Mike work with Chino on some Team Sleep or Fort Minor sh*t. Imagine an FM song with Chino on the hook ... :rolleyes:

As a matter of fact, I think that is a great idea. Fort Minor feat. Team Sleep of Team Sleep feat. Mike Shinoda. I'd pay a lot of money to hear that. :)

[minuteman]

Rap was at the beginning autobiographical and about issues in life. Think about 2pac for example.
This was the pure rap. I didn't say Jay-Z has no talent. Of course he have, otherwise he wouldn't be so famous after so many years. I like a few songs because they have beat.Well, 2Pac wasn't just that. :) "Pure" rap? What do you mean, underground?

Just a side note; I like a lot of Jay-Z's sh*t, and there isn't a single one that doesn't have beat, IMO. Jay-Z knows who should produce his sh*t, straight up.As a matter of fact, I think that is a great idea. Fort Minor feat. Team Sleep of Team Sleep feat. Mike Shinoda. I'd pay a lot of money to hear that. :)Yeah, I see Mike as a really versatile artist -- he can work with artists that really bring their own style, he knows how to mesh it with his own stuff. Mike can dish out some mad stuff and make it work with a vocalist like Kenna, even if it's just for a hook or whatever.

You chuck another musical genius like Chino in, and even if he writes and sings nothing but a hook ... like, Chino's pretty versatile too, just listen to Deftones and Team Sleep, that stuff covers a fair bit of ground while staying unique. :)

It'd be two musicians that know their sh*t. Full stop. Like, I can actually imagine the sound of Team Sleep combined with the sound of Fort Minor.

[ZARAcutie]

What? And what do you call Jay-Z? Eminem is too homophobic for LP, I'd say

Same thought here.
I don't see any beauty in Eminem's lyrics. The only song I like from him is Mockingbird.

His rap sounds...It's hard to explain. It sounds like he's going to spit any moment. That's how disgusting I think his rap is.
But of course he worked very hard with every song, I'm just giving my own opinion about him.

I personally like darker and deeper lyrics, lyrcis that make me think, what did that mean? ...Instead of just listening to something like, 'I've never seen an ass like that....'
His song, 'Ass like That' was the biggest failure in history. When I saw the music video of that song I was just like, 'WTF?!'

[MarathonMan]

Well, 2Pac wasn't just that. :) "Pure" rap? What do you mean, underground?

Just a side note; I like a lot of Jay-Z's sh*t, and there isn't a single one that doesn't have beat, IMO. Jay-Z knows who should produce his sh*t, straight up.Yeah, I see Mike as a really versatile artist -- he can work with artists that really bring their own style, he knows how to mesh it with his own stuff. Mike can dish out some mad stuff and make it work with a vocalist like Kenna, even if it's just for a hook or whatever.

You chuck another musical genius like Chino in, and even if he writes and sings nothing but a hook ... like, Chino's pretty versatile too, just listen to Deftones and Team Sleep, that stuff covers a fair bit of ground while staying unique. :)

It'd be two musicians that know their sh*t. Full stop. Like, I can actually imagine the sound of Team Sleep combined with the sound of Fort Minor.

As a matter of fact, Deftones is my favorite band after LP, ad I've been lising to Team Sleep to and they're really good, so they should give it a try.

P.S. Didn't Team Sleep remix My December for Reanimation but it didn't the cut because it was to dark?

[murtza]

Same thought here.
I don't see any beauty in Eminem's lyrics. The only song I like from him is Mockingbird.

His rap sounds...It's hard to explain. It sounds like he's going to spit any moment. That's how disgusting I think his rap is.
But of course he worked very hard with every song, I'm just giving my own opinion about him.

I personally like darker and deeper lyrics, lyrcis that make me think, what did that mean? ...Instead of just listening to something like, 'I've never seen an ass like that....'
His song, 'Ass like That' was the biggest failure in history. When I saw the music video of that song I was just like, 'WTF?!'

Now thats not completely true, man. He's not just bout ass n titties. If you say stuff like that i dont think you have heard his songs like, Without Me, Stan, The Way I Am, The Real Slim Shady, You Dont Know or No Apologies

[Moonmike]

Since this thread got the "what is rap?/ Eminem sucks/ Jay-Z sucks" thread, I'm going to write what I know about rap itself.

At first there was no rap at all. It began with the music of DJs. Then some guys thought, they could actually "say" or "sing" a text or poem to the beat of the music. The rap, at first, was not full of things like: "It's getting hot in here, so take off all your clothes" or "I'm going to shot you, you motherfucking bastard", no, it wasn't.

Rap groups like "Run DMC" made the music more popular for the majority and the text at that time were just "fun" songs and not about girls, drugs or guns. (Hip-Hop is rap. The press just said it instead of rap) But then the songs got more critical. The rappers started to bring their life experience into their songs. They started to write about social and political topics. They wanted to put out the social and political injustice in their area/ the U.S.A. and that the white people didn't treat them alike to the other people.

In the 90's some rapper started to write about their ghetto life. Things like: drugs and the life as a not white skinned person. At that point rap turned to another side. They started to use much more insults in their songs and the rhymes itself got more aggressive too. The teenagers (those one who buy the music) like that "bad image" thing a lot, so many rappers just tried to keep their bad image to sell much more CD's than normally.

Actually, rap should be/is poetry. It's just kinda sad that the most rappers try to be all "gangsta" and are not going back to the point what rap was about. I know, some songs are still about issues and problems in society or politics but most of the songs are not, but that's just the way it is because people want to have those "gansta rappers". The majority of the people who are buying the CD's don't want to hear anything about politics or social stuff. They just want party songs and if the customers don't change their "taste" in music, the rappers won't change either.

But that's just my opinion and the things I know about rap.

[Rocksquirrel]

Same thought here.
I don't see any beauty in Eminem's lyrics. The only song I like from him is Mockingbird.

I personally like darker and deeper lyrics, lyrcis that make me think, what did that mean? ...Instead of just listening to something like, 'I've never seen an ass like that....'
His song, 'Ass like That' was the biggest failure in history. When I saw the music video of that song I was just like, 'WTF?!'

Ever heard of "Stan"? Every heard "Cleaning up closet"? Ever heard of "The marshal mather's EP"? Ever heard of "Toy soldiers"? Every heard of "lose yourself" and "sing for the moment"?

Define dark, please.

Well, 2Pac wasn't just that. "Pure" rap? What do you mean, underground?

Read properly and you will see :)

Rap was at the beginning autobiographical and about issues in life. Think about 2pac for example.
This was the pure rap.


btw. thanks moonmike, you said what I meant. =)

[NoFace]

In the 90's some rapper started to write about their ghetto life. Things like: drugs and the life as a not white skinned person. At that point rap turned to another side. They started to use much more insults in their songs and the rhymes itself got more aggressive too. The teenagers (those one who buy the music) like that "bad image" thing a lot, so many rappers just tried to keep their bad image to sell much more CD's than normally.


What you talked about is just using rap on hiphop music. The root of rap is so much further than that, like the African roots or the Jamaica roots, with which rap was defined as a tool to debate formally. It's very hard to tell by which way did rap comes to life, but DJing is one thing, and street battle is another thing. Thanks to fucking wikipedia, they forgot the street battle rap and some readers may get mislead.

Rap started out did not for fun at all. The very first simple rap verse might be made in parties, but proper rap songs later always concern life issues. Run-DMC's very first songs are NOT 'fun' songs. Maybe you get the idea, but you chose the wrong word here.

Gangsta rap started out in the late 80s, not in the 90s. And at first it was for a rebelous image, breaking the street with the youth's aggressiveness and anger, more than something badass of which purpose is ripping off kids. Gangsta rap has it props and cons, but the likes of N.W.A are still called the best rappers in the world.

Off with the moral speech, music is music. Sometime art works out for art's sake, and listen to other genre of music, they are about all kinds of meaningless as well. Metal bands sang about ripping cunts and raping women and setting church on fire. Pop sang about meaningless love and sex. But people have to pick on rap sometimes, for some whatever reason.

There's nothing like a point of what rap was really about. Rap is made up by many things, not a solely factor. I don't appreciate gangsta rap, but it is an important part of the rap history, and without it, there will be no such of a big rap music industry like today.

Tupac and Eminem raps about guns/girls/blingbling too. And no, there's nothing like 'PURE RAP', just as well as 'pure rock' or 'pure pop'. Eminem and Jay-Z are both talented shit. You don't like whom is your own business, keep it to yourself.

[Reem]

Off with the moral speech, music is music. Sometime art works out for art's sake, and listen to other genre of music, they are about all kinds of meaningless as well. Metal bands sang about ripping cunts and raping women and setting church on fire. Pop sang about meaningless love and sex. But people have to pick on rap sometimes, for some whatever reason.quote of NoFace

I gotta agree on that one, people do tend to blaim rap music' when like you mentioned, it's not just rap, and it would be ignorant as, to blaim one genre of music on what's happening nowa days,theres good and bad everywhere, so like you said, its not just rap music that's got the 'bad image' sort of thing, it's in many other geners, that people go on about rather lame subs.

[minuteman]

Didn't Team Sleep remix My December for Reanimation but it didn't the cut because it was to dark?Well, I never found a reliable source on that but, yes, probably. And, I mean, I don't get it -- how could it be "too dark"? Fair enough, I haven't heard it but I've never heard of a song being "too dark". Hell, "Reanimation" had a running theme using a "dark" sound. :o

[MarathonMan]

Well, I never found a reliable source on that but, yes, probably. And, I mean, I don't get it -- how could it be "too dark"? Fair enough, I haven't heard it but I've never heard of a song being "too dark". Hell, "Reanimation" had a running theme using a "dark" sound. :o

True. Well,if Team Sleep really did remix My December, I hope we get to hear it sometime. Until then, I'll just wait for some Team Sleep feat. Mike Shinoda or something.

[Pug8]

Disturbed hands down David Draiman has one of the best singing voices. Or Daron/Serj of System of a Down

[Moonmike]

What you talked about is just using rap on hiphop music. The root of rap is so much further than that, like the African roots or the Jamaica roots, with which rap was defined as a tool to debate formally. It's very hard to tell by which way did rap comes to life, but DJing is one thing, and street battle is another thing. Thanks to fucking wikipedia, they forgot the street battle rap and some readers may get mislead.
and graffiti and breakdance was/is a part of hip-hop too, right? Do you think I just copied everything from wikipedia? I actually have watched many documentations about rap history and I don't think that Ice-Cube (and many other rappers) lied in this documentation. and please, don't say: just because you saw documentations about it doesn't have to mean that you have any clue about rap because just a fan knows what rap is really about.

Rap started out did not for fun at all. The very first simple rap verse might be made in parties, but proper rap songs later always concern life issues. Run-DMC's very first songs are NOT 'fun' songs. Maybe you get the idea, but you chose the wrong word here.
I used Run-DMC as an example for a group that made rap more popular for the majority. I know that Run-DMC made serious rap songs (just like Public Enemy did).

The other part is about an other rap group who made rap popular too (I forgot the name of them). They wrote that stupid party song.

Gangsta rap started out in the late 80s, not in the 90s. And at first it was for a rebelous image, breaking the street with the youth's aggressiveness and anger, more than something badass of which purpose is ripping off kids. Gangsta rap has it props and cons, but the likes of N.W.A are still called the best rappers in the world. sorry, I mix it up because german gangsta rap (yeah, something like that exists) started in the 90's.

Did I say that gangsta rap is a bad thing? I just said what the rappers wrote their songs about and not that they're badass and agressive idiots. Actually you just wrote more detailed what they wrote/write about.

Off with the moral speech, music is music. Sometime art works out for art's sake, and listen to other genre of music, they are about all kinds of meaningless as well. Metal bands sang about ripping cunts and raping women and setting church on fire. Pop sang about meaningless love and sex. But people have to pick on rap sometimes, for some whatever reason.
Did I say that the pop-business or metal-business is better? did I say anything against rap in general?
and there are many people out who hate metal more than rap, just because they think the metal lyrics are based on killing and stuff like that.


There's nothing like a point of what rap was really about. Rap is made up by many things, not a solely factor. I don't appreciate gangsta rap, but it is an important part of the rap history, and without it, there will be no such of a big rap music industry like today.
yeah but music industry is a thirsty, greedy bitch. Actually everything is based on money (like in pop- and metal-business too).
yeah, gangsta rap is a next step in the rap-history but like every new step it has to proof itself and has to advance itself.


gangsta rap is/should be provocative that people should pay attention on the things that are happening around them, that ghettos exists and that's the life inside a ghetto (i know that they write about other things too, it's just an example) can be extremely hard. People should woke up and see that issues around them.

actually I just wanted to say more or less with the little "story of rap" that I wrote how "basis" rap turned into gangsta rap (I know gangsta rap is such one of many others sub-genres of rap)

and to end my little, nice text: everything is based on money in every music genre. it's much more simpler to "sell" yourself/your image with music that most of the people like than trying to make music which actually is not the musical taste of the majority.

but just my opinion...

[MarathonMan]

My bad, P.O.D. and LP played together on One Step Closer. Anyway, what about Green Day. I'd like to here Chester on Are We the Waiting or Wake Me Up When September Ends.

[NoFace]

It's just kinda sad that the most rappers try to be all "gangsta" and are not going back to the point what rap was about.

here here, my friend. If you're not against gangsta rap, then why should you be sad at all? I thought your point was gangsta rap is shit and there's something like 'the point what rap was about' (which I have argued again by saying that there's no such thing, rap is made up by many things and there's not pure rap blah blah blah) so I had some of my points up to argue against it it. If you have other points but didn't make yourself clear, then tell me now.

[Moonmike]

here here, my friend. If you're not against gangsta rap, then why should you be sad at all? I thought your point was gangsta rap is shit and there's something like 'the point what rap was about' (which I have argued again by saying that there's no such thing, rap is made up by many things and there's not pure rap blah blah blah) so I had some of my points up to argue against it it. If you have other points but didn't make yourself clear, then tell me now.

I meant that rappers are actually poets of the street but those songs which are kinda meaningless (I know that there are meaningless songs in pop and metal business too) aren't that poetic like they used to be.
I don't hate gangsta rap, sometimes it's a very good thing because although you provoke many people therewith, you can also "wake up" people and show them how life really is and just not that happy life.
I just want to hear more deeper lyrics, something that makes me thinking about it the whole day, something that should show me a new view of point and something that should make me thinking about all steps I made in my life and if I did the right ones.

I wanted to say that more people are focused on the money than on the music. They want to have that "Bad Image" to sell more of there stuff than before.
I know, there are still many talented rappers out who actually write very good lyrics but in my eyes there are many "freeloaders" who actually just do everything because of the money (I know, there's something like that in pop business too).

I just want to hear a innovative new rap song by a gangsta rapper. Something new and not about girls etc. but that's just my wish and nothing more.
Maybe I just don't get those meaningless songs. Maybe I just like to listen to deeper lyrics. Everybody has his/her own taste in music, so maybe I'm just a person who doesn't know how people can actually listen to songs like that.

[Rocksquirrel]

And no, there's nothing like 'PURE RAP', just as well as 'pure rock' or 'pure pop'. Eminem and Jay-Z are both talented shit. You don't like whom is your own business, keep it to yourself.

The meaning of "pure" is that it has all elements which it characterized for this genre. Every sub genre is based on something, for that it need pureness of something.

For example water.

It's pure when you don't put syrup in it. With the syrup the water isn't anymore pure. It has changed color and taste. But without the pure water you hadn't been able to make this drink.

[DMCMaster550]

What you talked about is just using rap on hiphop music. The root of rap is so much further than that, like the African roots or the Jamaica roots, with which rap was defined as a tool to debate formally. It's very hard to tell by which way did rap comes to life, but DJing is one thing, and street battle is another thing. Thanks to fucking wikipedia, they forgot the street battle rap and some readers may get mislead.

Rap started out did not for fun at all. The very first simple rap verse might be made in parties, but proper rap songs later always concern life issues. Run-DMC's very first songs are NOT 'fun' songs. Maybe you get the idea, but you chose the wrong word here.

Gangsta rap started out in the late 80s, not in the 90s. And at first it was for a rebelous image, breaking the street with the youth's aggressiveness and anger, more than something badass of which purpose is ripping off kids. Gangsta rap has it props and cons, but the likes of N.W.A are still called the best rappers in the world.

Off with the moral speech, music is music. Sometime art works out for art's sake, and listen to other genre of music, they are about all kinds of meaningless as well. Metal bands sang about ripping cunts and raping women and setting church on fire. Pop sang about meaningless love and sex. But people have to pick on rap sometimes, for some whatever reason.

There's nothing like a point of what rap was really about. Rap is made up by many things, not a solely factor. I don't appreciate gangsta rap, but it is an important part of the rap history, and without it, there will be no such of a big rap music industry like today.

Tupac and Eminem raps about guns/girls/blingbling too. And no, there's nothing like 'PURE RAP', just as well as 'pure rock' or 'pure pop'. Eminem and Jay-Z are both talented shit. You don't like whom is your own business, keep it to yourself.

Um the reason we rap likes to be picked on the most is because it is a major influence of society and has been bigger than the shit metal has come out with or pop. Rap makes that image and people follow it a lot more because here's the fun thing, unless you understand metal you dont know what the fuck is going on. Rap however is easy to understand and they make it sound cooler than some guy screaming.

And there is a 'pure rap' a 'pure rock' and a pure everything. It is what creates it, something that takes all of it's elements and uses it, a rock song with rap lyrics is rock about as much as it is rap, it's half and half, not the pure thing.

However I do agree that the others also talk about meaningless stuff, Kiss for example sex, sex, sex, and getting drunk partying, not very meaningful lyrics all forms of music have something that's pointless and something that has real meaning, rap just did the right thing and put the criminal image, sex image, and all of the above out there with more style than any other form did, hence the reason rap is the first to be degraded for it.

[NoFace]

1. @Moonmike: people have always focused on money, indeed, and it's hard to tell who sold out and who didn't. But if you conclude it in two words 'personal taste' than I'll talke it that way.

2. @ Rocksquirrel: The water you drink everyday, the most common water is not pure. The only kind of water that can be called pure is made in the laboratory. So you have syrup water, salty water, but what do you call the water you drink everyday? Pure? No, it's not, it's just water. It will be easier if you just have water (which concludes all kinds of things inside) and you have other kinds of water.
The same goes for rap. There's no thing like 'pure' rap, but a big genre that is 'rap'. If there's such a thing like 'pure rap', please enlighten me and tell me, what 'pure' rap is about? Life? Even gangsta rap is about life. Something super upper meaningful we can't even explain?

3. @DMCMaster550: I got what you mean, but I kinda disagree on something. Firstly, hiphop is a trend now, and rap seems to be more popular at a point. But it's definitely not because rap is easier to understand than metal. Hell no. Metal is not something so profound that normal listeners can't understand. Back in the 80s, glam rock, hair metal and stuff like that were EVERYWHERE. When one genre's time comes, it will become popular, that's all.

About the 'pure rap' thing, I ask you the same question: what 'pure rap' is about? If you can definite it, I will accept it. And if you use the definition of rap in general, then don't call it 'pure rap', cause it's not.

[Titan50]

I personally like darker and deeper lyrics, lyrcis that make me think, what did that mean?

http://lyricwiki.org/Eminem:Kim

[Moonmike]

http://lyricwiki.org/Eminem:Kim

In my opinion that's not a good example for deep lyrics by Eminem. I would say "Sing For The Moment" is way more deeper:

http://lyricwiki.org/Eminem:Sing_For_The_Moment

[Titan50]

In my opinion that's not a good example for deep lyrics by Eminem. I would say "Sing For The Moment" is way more deeper:

http://lyricwiki.org/Eminem:Sing_For_The_Moment

It's not deep, I know, but definitely dark

[Moonmike]

It's not deep, I know, but definitely dark

dark?
what's "dark" about those lyrics? please, explain me.

[Titan50]

dark?
what's "dark" about those lyrics? please, explain me.

Don't know about you, but i consider a song in which you shout verbal abuse at your ex-wife and then kill her is pretty dark

[Moonmike]

Don't know about you, but i consider a song in which you shout verbal abuse at your ex-wife and then kill her is pretty dark

that's not that dark, that's violent and aggressive. =P

[MarathonMan]

Just thought about it. How about Mike and Amy Lee from Evanescene?

[faiintx]

i think eminem would make a great collaboration w/ linkin park.
he's one of my favorite rappers out there (my most favorite is mike, of course =D)

i just think that eminem is misunderstood. everyone thinks hes this drug addicted, mean, violent guy who publicly bashes other people....but that's really not the case.
some people paint pictures, write poems, etc about what's on their mind, and eminem just writes a song to express himself..
that's all really.

and i don't really think he cares about his persona. he prefers being taken as a joke.
but you HAVE to admit ; he is talented.
and not to mention, he's a very very good father to Hailie, his daughter.

[NoFace]

i just think that eminem is misunderstood.

None of us knows him personally, so you can't tell he's a good guy or a bad guy at all, and you can't tell if he's misunderstood or not. Musical-wise, I doubt that Eminem would wanna work with Linkin Park at all.

I am not exactly interested in an Amy Lee/ Mike Shinoda collaboration. They used to talk about a Bjork collab and I still think it's a good idea when it comes to female vocals.

[Titan50]

This guy
http://www.audiohead.net/interviews/trentreznor/images/sieiieiieil.jpg

[Rocksquirrel]

This guy
http://www.audiohead.net/interviews/trentreznor/images/sieiieiieil.jpg

N-O.

N-E-V-E-R.

since when does Trent Reznor do collaborations with commercial bands?

He only does it with artist he adores and appreciates.

[Elli4LP]

I think it would be cool if Linkin Park had a Project with Limp Bizkit...;-)

[Titan50]

N-O.

N-E-V-E-R.

since when does Trent Reznor do collaborations with commercial bands?

He only does it with artist he adores and appreciates.

One can dream. Let's just hope he kickstarts another awesome band like he did with Manson

[Rocksquirrel]

One can dream. Let's just hope he kickstarts another awesome band like he did with Manson

O_O

If you have been informed, you would know that he had a band called "Tapeworm" which was actually a flop. With only very, very, very much hope Trent would maybe help a band, but only maybe. Let's hope instead for a better album of Linkin Park or that they split up :p That's more realistic.

And he just helped Manson. He started nothing.

[Titan50]

O_O

And he just helped Manson. He started nothing.

Well, he did produce his first two proper albums.

[Rocksquirrel]

Well, he did produce his first two proper albums.

yeah, but you said he STARTED Marylin Manson. Producing is not starting or founding a band.

EDIT: just wanted to point out. No offensive.

[Liquorice]

Sandra's right, he didn't actually start Manson, But I would love to see LP and Manson do something. For me that would be awesome. If not Manson maybe The Rolling Stones or AC/DC. Just something different.

[MarathonMan]

I think it would be cool if Linkin Park had a Project with Limp Bizkit...;-)

That's actually a good idea but they're still having a conflict with each other. I think the LB fanz are the only ones who generally respect LP.

[Joannam88]

Timbaland!

[aravind221]

Timbaland!


ya me 2:D LP FEAT TIMBALAND, SLIPKNOT , FRED DURST THE PLACE WILL ROCK LIKE HELL:D