Question on Pictureboard and Other's

[MarathonMan]

The Wookie guy has posted about a song called Picterboard by Xero. Does anybody have a link to the song or a link to download it? And also what's Ground Xero? I heared it was another song by Xero, but is it the By Myself Demo with Wakefield and does anybody have a link to download, or just to listen to it?

(To Wookie, Aphelion, and Serg Slim: I'm ganna need your help on this one)

[Aphelion]

There is no recording of Pictureboard in existance. Mike mentioned it in an LPU chat once a couple years ago (mid-2006 I believe). All we know is that it was a Xero song that was played live once by Linkin Park after Chester joined the band.

Ground Xero is a song by Mark Wakefield that doesn't involve any of the other members of Xero/LP. There really aren't any details about it, but from what I understand, Mark briefly considered a solo career after leaving Xero, and this is one (possibly the only) song he recorded. It's obvious just by listening that it's not a Xero-related thing, but you can tell it's him singing it and the word "Xero" being spelled the way it is is a giveaway of that as well. For the record, I am the original source of the Ground Xero mp3. I found it on Kazaa Lite on a random search one day, labeled as "Wakefield - Ground Xero.mp3." I thought it was a song by the band Wakefield at first, but it sounds nothing like them, and Mark's voice is quite distinguishable.

[MarathonMan]

There is no recording of Pictureboard in existance. Mike mentioned it in an LPU chat once a couple years ago (mid-2006 I believe). All we know is that it was a Xero song that was played live once by Linkin Park after Chester joined the band.

Ground Xero is a song by Mark Wakefield that doesn't involve any of the other members of Xero/LP. There really aren't any details about it, but from what I understand, Mark briefly considered a solo career after leaving Xero, and this is one (possibly the only) song he recorded. It's obvious just by listening that it's not a Xero-related thing, but you can tell it's him singing it and the word "Xero" being spelled the way it is is a giveaway of that as well. For the record, I am the original source of the Ground Xero mp3. I found it on Kazaa Lite on a random search one day, labeled as "Wakefield - Ground Xero.mp3." I thought it was a song by the band Wakefield at first, but it sounds nothing like them, and Mark's voice is quite distinguishable.

Can I download Ground Xero from anywhere? Can you post the link for it?

[WookieBastard]

there you go, Ground Xero (http://download.yousendit.com/E19116CD09FFAF76)

[MarathonMan]

Wow. He's not to bad, but he needs to control his vibrations when he sings. The melody in the song keeps going up and down. Other than that, it's pretty good. He also sounds a little bit different in this song than the Xero songs, but I'm guessing that's because of the horrible quality the Xero songs had.
Are there any other demo's? What's The Team? I think that's a demo to a song on there Hybrid Theory EP, right? And also, Linkin Park has stated that they had seventeen diferent songs that could have been on MTM, but they could only pick twelve. I know that of the other five, there was No Roads Left and Grecian. What about the others? I don't think Qwerty was one of them. LPU 8 idea?

[WookieBastard]

i doubt Grecian was one of those 5 and i doubt we'll ever listen to them. It's just the Linkin Park way.

[Aphelion]

Wow. He's not to bad, but he needs to control his vibrations when he sings. The melody in the song keeps going up and down. Other than that, it's pretty good. He also sounds a little bit different in this song than the Xero songs, but I'm guessing that's because of the horrible quality the Xero songs had.
Are there any other demo's? What's The Team? I think that's a demo to a song on there Hybrid Theory EP, right? And also, Linkin Park has stated that they had seventeen diferent songs that could have been on MTM, but they could only pick twelve. I know that of the other five, there was No Roads Left and Grecian. What about the others? I don't think Qwerty was one of them. LPU 8 idea?

The Team was supposedly a Xero song that was on the setlist at a show they played in 1997 (along with another song called Explode), however I seriously doubt its authenticity due to the fact that early versions of In the End and With You were said to be played at that show, yet Mark Wakefield's name doesn't appear in the songwriting credits for those songs, while it does for Forgotten, A Place for My Head, and Runaway.

Grecian wasn't one of the 17 songs that were fully recorded for Minutes to Midnight, that one was cut fairly early in the writing process. No Roads Left is known to be one, and it's known that there were 6 songs that David Campbell recorded string parts for, 5 of which (including NRL) have been released to this point (you can hear a VERY short clip of "String Song #6" on the Making of MTM DVD). The other 3, no clue.

[MarathonMan]

The Team was supposedly a Xero song that was on the setlist at a show they played in 1997 (along with another song called Explode), however I seriously doubt its authenticity due to the fact that early versions of In the End and With You were said to be played at that show, yet Mark Wakefield's name doesn't appear in the songwriting credits for those songs, while it does for Forgotten, A Place for My Head, and Runaway.

Grecian wasn't one of the 17 songs that were fully recorded for Minutes to Midnight, that one was cut fairly early in the writing process. No Roads Left is known to be one, and it's known that there were 6 songs that David Campbell recorded string parts for, 5 of which (including NRL) have been released to this point (you can hear a VERY short clip of "String Song #6" on the Making of MTM DVD). The other 3, no clue.


Well, the reason why Mark is on the songwriting credits for A Place For My Head, Forgotten and Runaway, is because he helped convert those songs (or at least Runaway) to the songs that are now on Hybrid Theory. Could it be possible that Mike created the others without any help from Mark?

[Aphelion]

Well, the reason why Mark is on the songwriting credits for A Place For My Head, Forgotten and Runaway, is because he helped convert those songs (or at least Runaway) to the songs that are now on Hybrid Theory. Could it be possible that Mike created the others without any help from Mark?

Not likely, because LP has always split their songwriting credits equally among all people who were in the band at the time they were written. Mark didn't help "convert" any of those songs. Esaul and Rhinestone were both written in the Xero days (there's no recording of Xero's Esaul though), and Runaway uses the guitar part from Stick N' Move. Also, notice that Phoenix has songwriting credits for those same 3 songs for the same reason (he was in Xero but not in the band at the time of Hybrid Theory's release), but he isn't listed for any of the other songs on that album. Chester does have credits for those 3 songs however because he presumably helped re-write the lyrics (lyrics are a big chunk of songwriting royalties).

[minuteman]

when you see "linkin park" in the credits, those six guys wrote the song. the final song is attributed to every single person who has added to the song and its growth -- so "rhinestone" came from the xero days and, thus, mark wakefield had a hand in its writing; chester came in later, added his lyrics, whatever -- he wrote the song as well. :)