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Rob1
02-29-2008, 08:34 AM
Anyone else think What I've Done kicks the living crap out of almost every other song on Minutes To Midnight? Usually, when an album comes out, I ingore the first single they put out and listen to the other songs more, just because I've heard the single so much. I did that with MTM, and just now started listening to What I've Done more (I did listen to it, just not as much compared to the rest of the CD). Aside from In Pieces and TLTGYA (both are on par or almost as good), What I've Done is really the best song on the CD. I actually think it's in the top 3 songs they've ever made. It has that "old LP" thing going on, but it was "new LP" too, and just blended everything so well.

Sorry if this is like all the other "One Year Later, MTM is much better/worse than I thought", but having listen to it more, and given it enough time, I just realized that one song single handedly bests most of the songs on Minutes to Midnight.

Fuck, and most of the songs on Meteora.

TS_AlLBANIA_ForgotteN
02-29-2008, 08:39 AM
Anyone else think What I've Done kicks the living crap out of almost every other song on Minutes To Midnight? Usually, when an album comes out, I ingore the first single they put out and listen to the other songs more, just because I've heard the single so much. I did that with MTM, and just now started listening to What I've Done more (I did listen to it, just not as much compared to the rest of the CD). Aside from In Pieces and TLTGYA (both are on par or almost as good), What I've Done is really the best song on the CD. I actually think it's in the top 3 songs they've ever made. It has that "old LP" thing going on, but it was "new LP" too, and just blended everything so well.

Sorry if this is like all the other "One Year Later, MTM is much better/worse than I thought", but having listen to it more, and given it enough time, I just realized that one song single handedly bests most of the songs on Minutes to Midnight.

Fuck, and most of the songs on Meteora.
Agreed man...it's just like you said it. That's of course the best song of the album and yeah in the top list.I've realised lately that MTM is way better than I thought...

Yeah one year isn't that much...:D

shattered_pieces
02-29-2008, 08:40 AM
lol you're a little late but considering you're slow ..:p

yeah it's my fave MTM song not my fave of all songs but still pretty damn good. it has maturity and a good sound and i think everyone can relate.

WookieBastard
02-29-2008, 08:54 AM
I just realized that one song single handedly bests most of the songs on Minutes to Midnight.

Fuck, and most of the songs on Meteora.

i do agree with the fact that sounds like in the middle of old LP and nu LP. But that's perhaps the reason why the song was written. Remember it's the last song written for the album bla bla... what would you think of MTM if the first single they put out was SOTD?

WID is an OK song. In my opinion, that song without it's video is nothing, and boring.

TS_AlLBANIA_ForgotteN
02-29-2008, 09:01 AM
i do agree with the fact that sounds like in the middle of old LP and nu LP. But that's perhaps the reason why the song was written. Remember it's the last song written for the album bla bla... what would you think of MTM if the first single they put out was SOTD?

WID is an OK song. In my opinion, that song without it's video is nothing, and boring.
Yeah they mentioned and explained "the middle thing" in the DVD.

Oh cmon Wookie ! Wid can be no boring...anyway your opinion.My suggestion...try to get deeper in it.

WookieBastard
02-29-2008, 09:04 AM
i'll have to download it first, lol.

3Blin1k1
02-29-2008, 09:07 AM
Yeah, I agree. What I've Done is awesome. It's my favorite on the album. Track by track, I've been listening to one track at a time in-excess ever since I bought it. For that time period, I can't get enough of that song (realistically, right now it's LOATR). As for What I've Done, I've been listening to it on a regular basis since the day it was released and still haven't gotten sick of it. That tells you something. Along with TLTGYA and LOATR, this song has very good and hard-hitting lyrics. My top 4 on this album are and always has been WID, Given Up, LOATR, and In Pieces. The album as a whole is good, but I don't think anything off of it tops What I've Done OR Leave Out all The Rest lyrically, musically, and emotionally.

Another thing, too. Up till now (we'll have to see how Given Up does on the charts), What I've Done is the only powerhouse of a single so far. It was a smash hit, generallly well-received by the public, and ranks with In The End and Numb as their most popular songs. The other two singles did good on the ACTUAL rock charts, but there was no hype over either. BIO had a very tiny bit of publicity with the VMAs and Live Earth, but that's it. What I've Done is a huge and awesome song. End of story

BTW, Wookie, it's your opinion, but have you actually tried to give MTM a chance? Maybe sit down and listen to the lyrics of What I've Done, put that with the video, the loud-soft dynamic of the song. It's really great, but a matter of opinion, I guess.

WookieBastard
02-29-2008, 09:10 AM
WID didnt do THAT well compared to other LP singles.

TS_AlLBANIA_ForgotteN
02-29-2008, 09:16 AM
i'll have to download it first, lol.
Hmmm ok...start with that. Lol...

Rade
02-29-2008, 10:09 AM
WID didnt do THAT well compared to other LP singles.

uhm.. It is their best charting single on the United World Chart, where it peaked at #4. Statistically speaking, this is Linkin Park's biggest song to date.The song debuted in the top 10 of the US Hot 100, at #7. It is by far the band's highest debut to date on the chart.

Moridin
02-29-2008, 10:56 AM
Anyone else think What I've Done kicks the living crap out of almost every other song on Minutes To Midnight? Usually, when an album comes out, I ingore the first single they put out and listen to the other songs more, just because I've heard the single so much. I did that with MTM, and just now started listening to What I've Done more (I did listen to it, just not as much compared to the rest of the CD). Aside from In Pieces and TLTGYA (both are on par or almost as good), What I've Done is really the best song on the CD. I actually think it's in the top 3 songs they've ever made. It has that "old LP" thing going on, but it was "new LP" too, and just blended everything so well.

Sorry if this is like all the other "One Year Later, MTM is much better/worse than I thought", but having listen to it more, and given it enough time, I just realized that one song single handedly bests most of the songs on Minutes to Midnight.

Fuck, and most of the songs on Meteora.

Actually I think its just average at best. I like the verses alot, but the rest is just so-so.

GraDoN
02-29-2008, 01:33 PM
WID is great but not the best, its their most succesfull single to date if you look at charts but its not in my top 5 on the album

WookieBastard
02-29-2008, 03:05 PM
uhm.. It is their best charting single on the United World Chart, where it peaked at #4. Statistically speaking, this is Linkin Park's biggest song to date.The song debuted in the top 10 of the US Hot 100, at #7. It is by far the band's highest debut to date on the chart.

WID is great but not the best, its their most succesfull single to date if you look at charts but its not in my top 5 on the album

w00t! really? to this day i still haven't heard WID once in a radio. Certainly not in any chart.

Liquorice
02-29-2008, 03:11 PM
w00t! really? to this day i still haven't heard WID once in a radio. Certainly not in any chart.

Really? I was starting to get a bit sick of it, they thrashed here. Couldn't turn a radio on without hearing it. Now its SOTD.
But yeah I still like WID, not my fav off album though, but a good song.

WookieBastard
02-29-2008, 03:17 PM
well, people just hear to other kinds of music here in my country at least. Brazil and Argentina are totally different stories.

Like, in almost 7 years i've been following LP, i've only heard them on the radio probably 3 or 4 times. And one in one of those opportunities, they stopped playing the song because people started calling to complain O.o....

Liquorice
02-29-2008, 03:23 PM
Over here we have all kinds off music. We have different stations that cater for different types of music, then we have stations which play everything. We also play a shit load of homegrown music. So ppl can have a choice off what they listen too. I change my radio station all the time.

WookieBastard
02-29-2008, 03:39 PM
yeah, here too, but still... you'll never hear a song by MCR, LP and other "popular" bands like that, people here are just not into that unless they're like 13 or 14 (no offense)

DK
02-29-2008, 04:33 PM
What I've Done is maybe one of the songs that majority of LP fans wants to listen. I think it's a great track and it had a good video. But I perfer Leave Out All The Rest, In Pieces, and Valentine's Day than What I've Done. So I haven't been listening to the song lately.

LilMar_K
02-29-2008, 06:05 PM
i had the same feeling but like, a few weeks ago. I just listened to it after a while of not doing so. When you just really listen to it, you feel climax real good.

GraDoN
02-29-2008, 06:10 PM
well i feel LOATR should have been the next single instead of GU, i mean GU is a lot like dont stay, hard head bangers but not really a good song.

Liquorice
02-29-2008, 06:23 PM
well i feel LOATR should have been the next single instead of GU, i mean GU is a lot like dont stay, hard head bangers but not really a good song.

Are you serious? Given up is a fucking great song. Don't get me wrong I love LOATR just as much, but I don't think it should be the next one after SOTD.

WookieBastard
02-29-2008, 06:34 PM
Are you serious? Given up is a fucking great song. Don't get me wrong I love LOATR just as much, but I don't think it should be the next one after SOTD.

I agree with GraDon... Given Up is just a catchy song, nothing more than that.

utopiainwonderland
02-29-2008, 06:37 PM
I think out of all the songs in MTM, WID is the most well rounded song.
Perfect choice for their first single,it fits into the whole "we're trying to reinvent stuff" thing.Cause it still has that old LP sound we miss but it's also different from HT and Meteora.And the vid also helped in explaining their change,how they've matured.Definitely one of my faves.

Mondreus_X
02-29-2008, 06:54 PM
latley I've been listening to GU getting ready for monday,but What I've Done is one of my favorites on Mtm. LOATR was once my least fav. but it grew on me and know its one of my favorites :D

utopiainwonderland
02-29-2008, 07:02 PM
latley I've been listening to GU getting ready for monday,but What I've Done is one of my favorites on Mtm. LOATR was once my least fav. but it grew on me and know its one of my favorites :D

At first I hated LOATR too,that song just got on my nerves.But now,I just love it.

WookieBastard
02-29-2008, 07:10 PM
At first I hated LOATR too,that song just got on my nerves.But now,I just love it.

There was this architect, Le Corbusier... he wrote about the process that goes between hating something and after getting used to it, loving it :p...

According to him and others, you do in fact hate it, but you just got so used to it that you accept it for what it is, and enjoy it. Although it's not supposed to be bad i'm against that. And it's certainly not good for LP. Because some potential fan might give it a try or two and still dislike most of the songs and never listen to the album again... other people won't have as much patience as we fans do.

I'm just bored, i guess you can tell.

3Blin1k1
02-29-2008, 07:56 PM
Given Up is teh badass. Sure the lyrics are cheap and the song itself none too complex, but it is very catchy. And don't tell me that the bridge and 17 sec scream aren't freakin' sweet. Maybe not their best, but a good song. One I can workout to or blast in my car just to piss people off. I like Given Up not for it's complexity (which it lacks), but sheerly because it sounds sick and is completely loud and obnoxious, unlike the entire remainder of MTM. Sort of brings back memories of One Step Closer when it came out.

NoFace
02-29-2008, 09:22 PM
i do agree with the fact that sounds like in the middle of old LP and nu LP. But that's perhaps the reason why the song was written. Remember it's the last song written for the album bla bla... what would you think of MTM if the first single they put out was SOTD?

WID is an OK song. In my opinion, that song without it's video is nothing, and boring.

Maan, quote for truth. I remember when the first snippet was out, like 15 seconds, and I was so excited. Then comes the full song and I know that most of people are just like 'eh' to the song. It doesn't sound near like something special. The video made up for it so much.

CoolaKKe
02-29-2008, 11:44 PM
I actually think it's in the top 3 songs they've ever made.

It is in the best 3 songs they made... its the 2nd best
it charted on the billboard hot 100 at 7

numb charted at 11

in the end charted at 2 (best song)

utopiainwonderland
03-01-2008, 01:47 AM
There was this architect, Le Corbusier... he wrote about the process that goes between hating something and after getting used to it, loving it :p...

According to him and others, you do in fact hate it, but you just got so used to it that you accept it for what it is, and enjoy it. Although it's not supposed to be bad i'm against that. And it's certainly not good for LP. Because some potential fan might give it a try or two and still dislike most of the songs and never listen to the album again... other people won't have as much patience as we fans do.

I'm just bored, i guess you can tell.

Oh really?
Know-it-all!
Haha jk dude.
I didn't know that.
So what you're trying to say is that basically most people hated MTM,but cause it's LP,and they WANT to get used to it,they give it another chance and will eventually like it?
Good theory,but for LOATR,I loved it after the second time I listened to it.Hell,I even spent some time learning to play LOATR piano.
I hated LOATR the first time I listened to it cause there was something boybandish about it.It started slow,a few instruments accompanying Chester singing the verses in a low voice.And then when the chorus comes,all the instruments are in forte and Chester sorta shouts.I really though they were going to the boy band direction when they decided to sing this.

WookieBastard
03-01-2008, 01:56 AM
So what you're trying to say is that basically most people hated MTM,but cause it's LP,and they WANT to get used to it,they give it another chance and will eventually like it?

yeah, that's pretty much what i meant. And that seems to be what happened if you read the old posts when MTM was released. Letting something (a song) "grow on you" is just getting used to it.... doesn't make sense to me at all.


Good theory,but for LOATR,I loved it after the second time I listened to it.Hell,I even spent some time learning to play LOATR piano.

LOATR, i only heard that song complete once. I really can't stand it... But well, In Pieces in the other hand... i fell in love with it when i had the chance to listen to the 30 sec snippets available in some website i dont remember prior to MTMs release.

utopiainwonderland
03-01-2008, 02:17 AM
yeah, that's pretty much what i meant. And that seems to be what happened if you read the old posts when MTM was released. Letting something (a song) "grow on you" is just getting used to it.... doesn't make sense to me at all.



LOATR, i only heard that song complete once. I really can't stand it... But well, In Pieces in the other hand... i fell in love with it when i had the chance to listen to the 30 sec snippets available in some website i dont remember prior to MTMs release.

You heard LOATR just once?You're kidding right?That must be some twisted joke or something.LOL.
But I guess it's just completely up to each individual,you don't get LOATR,I don't get In Pieces or In Between.
In Pieces I still listen to,cause like most people I like the guitar solo.But this song sounds too much like a love song.Me no likey...But ironically enough,I'm currently trying to play it...(yeah I'm weird)
In Between,well,Mike sounds whiny and like oh-my-god-forgive-me-or-I'll-slit-my-wrist or something.It's pretty weird.I just don't get it.And I never will.And I won't force myself to like it just cause it's LP.
Just what that Le Corbusier dude said if I'm not mistaken..?

WookieBastard
03-01-2008, 03:14 AM
lol. all Le Corbusier did was classify the different kinds of "beauty". that's all.

I'm not telling you not to force songs into your head. If people like to do so, that's fine with me. The fact that is that even if you hate something, you can lock the door and throw the key out of the window and in a couple of hours of being exposed to that "something" you'll end up liking it.

And In Between... i kinda like it. The beginning most of all, don't know why but i think it's an ok song. A lot better than NRL regardless to whatever people say around here.

NoFace
03-01-2008, 03:25 AM
Man, I love In Between. It holds this personal vibe that make it seems to be special to Mike, which gets my attention. Plus, Mike's voice is lovely.

utopiainwonderland
03-01-2008, 03:25 AM
lol. all Le Corbusier did was classify the different kinds of "beauty". that's all.

I'm not telling you not to force songs into your head. If people like to do so, that's fine with me. The fact that is that even if you hate something, you can lock the door and throw the key out of the window and in a couple of hours of being exposed to that "something" you'll end up liking it.

And In Between... i kinda like it. The beginning most of all, don't know why but i think it's an ok song. A lot better than NRL regardless to whatever people say around here.

I never said I forced myself to like any song.That'd be really stupid and pointless,cause if I don't like it then (usually) I'll never like it.
The beginning of In Between-that's actually the worst part.What's wrong with you?Nah,just kidding.But I really don't like it when he apologized,it's like the whole song is a mistake,and I truly apologize before singing it,if I'm being exceedingly whiny.
You don't like NRL?That song's amazing!and Mike can sing!They should do this song as the opening or something,that way Mike's not out of breath.
NRL live= would be Awesome.

NoFace
03-01-2008, 03:27 AM
But I really don't like it when he apologized,it's like the whole song is a mistake,and I truly apologize before singing it,if I'm being exceedingly whiny.


LOL how come his apology makes the whole song turn into a mistake?

WookieBastard
03-01-2008, 03:34 AM
I never said I forced myself to like any song.That'd be really stupid and pointless,cause if I don't like it then (usually) I'll never like it.
The beginning of In Between-that's actually the worst part.What's wrong with you?Nah,just kidding.But I really don't like it when he apologized,it's like the whole song is a mistake,and I truly apologize before singing it,if I'm being exceedingly whiny.
You don't like NRL?That song's amazing!and Mike can sing!They should do this song as the opening or something,that way Mike's not out of breath.
NRL live= would be Awesome.

Mike might be good singing. But instrumentally, it's one of LPs worst songs. It sounds like it's being sung over a neverending loop. "hiiiii! noooooooooooooooo" ?

utopiainwonderland
03-01-2008, 03:59 AM
LOL how come his apology makes the whole song turn into a mistake?

Uhuh.Quite ironic right?In between to me personally,is THE WORST song in LP's career.But people learn from their mistakes,so I hope that they would stop apologizing before starting a song.

utopiainwonderland
03-01-2008, 04:04 AM
Mike might be good singing. But instrumentally, it's one of LPs worst songs. It sounds like it's being sung over a neverending loop. "hiiiii! noooooooooooooooo" ?

hmmm?I've never really paid attention to the instrumentals on NRL,cause I was mesmerized by the beauty of Mike's voice.Haha...I'm feeling a little poetic today.
I guess I'll listen to NRL again.

That's maybe why they didn't add NRL to MTM!Genius!

NoFace
03-01-2008, 08:49 AM
Uhuh.Quite ironic right?In between to me personally,is THE WORST song in LP's career.But people learn from their mistakes,so I hope that they would stop apologizing before starting a song.

Personally, I don't think it's a mistake. So maybe there's nothing for them to learn here:)