Linkin Park #2 Worst Band Of 2007

[utopiainwonderland]

...at least according to Ultimate Guitar's Best And Worst Bands Of 2007

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/columns/features/you_be_the_judge_ultimate_guitars_best_and_worst_b ands_of_2007.html

The “M” word oozed out of Linkin Park’s latest record Minutes To Midnight, and we’re not talking about “metal” or “Mike-Shinoda-as-the-focal-point” (okay, that’s more than one word). No, unfortunately we mean the often-feared “maturity.” To be fair, maturing is not the most horrible thing in the world, but when the music leaves your fans bored, we’ve got a problem. Linkin Park still has flocks of dedicated listeners, but vocalist Chester Bennington possibly pushed the limit when he decided to explore his sentimental side this time around.

What the hell is wrong?Just because MTM wasn't a huge success, it doesn't mean they're suddenly on the same list as FOB, right?

[Liquorice]

Well that sucks. LP can't be all that bad when they have millions of fans and sellout concerts. Yay for Velvet Revolver though, I like them too. Still love LP. Don't care what others say.

[utopiainwonderland]

Well that sucks. LP can't be all that bad when they have millions of fans and sellout concerts. Yay for Velvet Revolver though, I like them too. Still love LP. Don't care what others say.

Couldn't agree more!:cool:
They're mad if they say LP sucks.
They're probably deaf or something...:D

[jesjuh]

Couldn't agree more!:cool:
They're mad if they say LP sucks.
They're probably deaf or something...:D

I totally Agree with that!

[jajabinks]

a warning to other LP fans: don't get too pissed off on this website, its not very reliable. I mean, Avenged Sevenfold is the #1 best band, and at the same time, its the 3rd worst band........:confused: ........hmmmm, doesnt make much sense, does it :rolleyes:

[Avii]

shit happends :p

but I don't care xD

[NoFace]

The “M” word oozed out of Linkin Park’s latest record Minutes To Midnight, and we’re not talking about “metal” or “Mike-Shinoda-as-the-focal-point” (okay, that’s more than one word). No, unfortunately we mean the often-feared “maturity.” To be fair, maturing is not the most horrible thing in the world, but when the music leaves your fans bored, we’ve got a problem. Linkin Park still has flocks of dedicated listeners, but vocalist Chester Bennington possibly pushed the limit when he decided to explore his sentimental side this time around.

Hahaha, honestly I like this review. Finally someone say it out loud. “Mike-Shinoda-as-the-focal-point”? decided to explore his sentimental side this time around? Lovely. Somehow it's pretty true.

[xLinkinxParkx01]

...at least according to Ultimate Guitar's Best And Worst Bands Of 2007

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/columns/features/you_be_the_judge_ultimate_guitars_best_and_worst_b ands_of_2007.html



What the hell is wrong?Just because MTM wasn't a huge success, it doesn't mean they're suddenly on the same list as FOB, right?

Lol MTM Was Successful
It was th 3rd biggest selling album
of the year Lmao...=]
HaHa

[TS_AlLBANIA_ForgotteN]

Are they fuckin kidding ?

[Rofy]

if linkin park the Worst Bands Of 2007

whos the best band .....Avenged Sevenfold ?

They didnt know anything

so Don't care what others say.

[watsernamekatchich]

that's ridiculous. besides, what do they know??

[lproxn]

hahahahahahahahahaahahaha
lmao
i cant stop laughing
next year they will say john lenon was the worst ever
then after that they will crown ms.paris hilton as the best non mature obscene bitch but still best singer award!

[Sandy444]

lol, who cares?

[mizike30]

Well as usual I do agree that the album was not that great, it had its moments and it fits great in the live concerts but was overall a dissapointment. But they certaintly are not the worst lol. BUt see the voting doesnt matter considering there millions of fans and people an this is on 247 votes, so 247 people dont like LP so what, And 250 dont like AVenged Sevenfold but 250 like em, so its only on aaround 500 people voting, not much substance there.

[Rob1]

I don't see what the big deal is, they're just saying what half the people on here are; Minutes To Midnight was boring. Why is it any worse if they say it then when anyone here says it?

Besides, Avenged Sevenfold is listed as Best AND Worst,which lets you know somethings not right, and everyone else on the worst are the same bands everyone bashes for being "mainstream" anyway; Fall Out Boy, Green Day, and My Chemical Romance. it's just the same bullshit that follows them everywhere anyway.

BTW, read on, a lot of people are saying Linkin Park shouldn't be on there, so it's not like a total gang up.

[tpbarbosa]

I don't think it's wrong at all
For be honest MTM got me bored ...
I mean .. please guys.. persons who aren't LP fans won't understand why the huge change
Maybe the put them in this list just for call attention and push them to the old style
Which we all know won't happen again
That's what I think

[Rob1]

I mean .. please guys.. persons who aren't LP fans won't understand why the huge change


People who were fans didn't understand the huge change...:p

[tpbarbosa]

People who were fans didn't understand the huge change...:p

yeah ... both of them :D

[heyosnow]

about the "best" band

01. Avenged Sevenfold - 275 votes


The band might not have made it through the year unscathed (their latest album earned 1 out of 10 stars by Rock Sound – yikes), but there were plenty of voters who deemed the self-titled record far better than any of their previous efforts. Of course, when you look at the numbers, it was still a close one.

Whether you wrote scathing reviews of their latest album on the message boards or have found genius in every track, you proved that Avenged Sevenfold evokes emotion – and that’s not such a


this band is realy bad

and i will not trust in one thing which put green day in worse,if they dont do anything in 07
and foo fighters album is the worse of all career
silly list

[California_Castaway]

I actually agree with it.
Compared to their other albums it was more sentimental and boring.
I still think MtM was good, but I still agree with that article.

And A7X is on both Best & Worst because it's a split. Fans either thought it was amazing or they thought opposite.

[With_You]

I actually agree with it.
Compared to their other albums it was more sentimental and boring.
I still think MtM was good, but I still agree with that article.

And A7X is on both Best & Worst because it's a split. Fans either thought it was amazing or they thought opposite.

agree with you

MTM sucks ass, i said this many times before. What i dont agree is the number 1 band, avegnded something?... What the hell are they??

[IceMaryJane]

I don't see what the big deal is, they're just saying what half the people on here are; Minutes To Midnight was boring. Why is it any worse if they say it then when anyone here says it?

Besides, Avenged Sevenfold is listed as Best AND Worst,which lets you know somethings not right, and everyone else on the worst are the same bands everyone bashes for being "mainstream" anyway; Fall Out Boy, Green Day, and My Chemical Romance. it's just the same bullshit that follows them everywhere anyway.

BTW, read on, a lot of people are saying Linkin Park shouldn't be on there, so it's not like a total gang up.


I agree with all of you that MTM was not a big success but still on a third place,not bad at all.
Since MTM came out at the music shops ,everyone began criticize, to push them back to go and make music like their old albums.A lot of fans made a step back from them, and why ?
Because of 1 album with a little different music style ??? Cmooooooon it is not the end of the world you know ?There is plenty of time ,they will make a lot of great albums :cool:

[blueeye]

Everything is under 300 votes. Well that is really a representative sample. lol
I`m not going into MTM analysis again. Every person has it`s own opinion and this constant whining is boring.

[Rob1]

I agree with all of you that MTM was not a big success but still on a third place,not bad at all.
Since MTM came out at the music shops ,everyone began criticize, to push them back to go and make music like their old albums.A lot of fans made a step back from them, and why ?
Because of 1 album with a little different music style ??? Cmooooooon it is not the end of the world you know ?There is plenty of time ,they will make a lot of great albums :cool:

Actually, Minutes To Midnight was pretty successful. Pre-release reviews were pretty positive, and it had the highest debut of 07 for awhile. It was just like Meteora after it dropped, people expected one thing and got something that didn't totally satisfy. It seems to happen with almost everything Linkin Park does.

[Avii]

am I the only one person here who didn't get bored of M2M? :p

[blueeye]

am I the only one person here who didn't get bored of M2M? :p
No, you are not. :cool:

[Avii]

No, you are not. :cool:

oh, thank God xD

[Liquorice]

Nah cos I still love it.

[mau_mon_san]

i love their new album... MtM is innovative and different but still it is very LINKIN PARK... who cares what they fuckin' say, they do not know everything... and i agree when you guys said that the website is a not reliable source at all...

yes, there are "some" people who didn't like MtM and chester being sentimental...BUT, there are lots of fans who like LP that way...and i am one of those people!!!!

[WookieBastard]

Radiohead in the 5th spot... after A7x, Velvet Revolver, Foo Fighters and Machine Head. That's funny.

[polkadots]

H m m..............

[ZARAcutie]

LP's new MTM was a big jump from the box of what we fans try to make them...i thot it only had a couple of good songs...Mike didnt get much rap in the songs i hated that...Mike is my fave guy in LP soz im not really interested in the new album :(
they all look sorta old in the cover of MTM :p

[utopiainwonderland]

...Mike didnt get much rap in the songs i hated that...

Yeah, that's one reason why I don't like MTM as much as Meteora and HT.
Mike didn't rap as much in it compared to the previous 2 albums which is really weird cause it defined the sound of LP, Chester screaming and Mike rapping.

[ZARAcutie]

Yeah, that's one reason why I don't like MTM as much as Meteora and HT.
Mike didn't rap as much in it compared to the previous 2 albums which is really weird cause it defined the sound of LP, Chester screaming and Mike rapping.

yeah you are really right!
in the Mike interviews he says LP doesn't want to be held into a box and says LP didn't want to have anything to do with Rock in the first place!
that's why i like Fort Minor better now lol

[Hussky_Sp1ke]

Well, change is something hard both to be accepted and even to be undergo. I think - like Meteora - MTM is a phase of their metamorphosis as a band, and maturity is of course something not to be afraid of. I doubt if there are fans who were bored with LP music cause like I said it's a phase of the metamorphosis and they are as good as exploring new approach or style both on the lyric and the music itself which give a new nuance and of course new feel.
Anyway, I like the way Mike explore and try different style in his vocal.
LP keep rockin'

[LinkinPete]

and Mike sings alot and plays guitar and keyboard and all.. AND raps on 2 songs.. so he´s pretty much there

[NoFace]

He himself said that he mostly wrote himself out of the album... so you know.

[LinkinPete]

He himself said that he mostly wrote himself out of the album... so you know.

yeah, I think he ment the rapping. Ofcourse he wrote music and lyrics

[NoFace]

But he's a rapper LOL. That's the main thing he should do. Plus, in Get me Gone/The rising tied, he rapped about playing keyboard and rapping blah blah blah. Now he plays key more than rapping, it's ridiculous.

[LinkinPete]

But he's a rapper LOL. That's the main thing he should do. Plus, in Get me Gone/The rising tied, he rapped about playing keyboard and rapping blah blah blah. Now he plays key more than rapping, it's ridiculous.

well, in Get Me Gone, he speaks about the FIRST LP record.. and yeah, rapping was ther thing he started out with in the band..

..but MTM is all about breaking patterns and changing things up, so he did.. stop complaining ppl..

..BUT there´s still rapping, and don´t u agree, that those are some dope lines on MTM!

[heyosnow]

lp actualy is the most selling rock band
they arent popular like fall out boy and my chemical romance,but they sell twice or more than this 2 band together and multiply
avenge must work in 87 and radiohead is a bad band,boring,and thom yorke is a bad singer,i realy dont know about how the people like this band so much :confused:

[IceMaryJane]

am I the only one person here who didn't get bored of M2M? :p

I`m with ya ^^'

[LinkinPete]

I`m with ya ^^'

I´m with ya too!:cool:

[RenchyLP]

<font size=6><b>AND WE WANT LP IN CROATIA</B></FONT>

[RenchyLP]

WE WANT LP IN CROATIA:eek:

[RenchyLP]

Yap!!lp In Croatia

[LilMar_K]

"Mike-Shinoda-as-the-focal-point”. I honestly laughed as soon as i read that. Anyway moving on. Its been said before but something isn't right. You cant be in the best and worst at the same time.

And to those who voted LP for the worst band:
"You can say what you have to say, cause my mind is made up anyway..."

10 points to the first person to tell me where that is from.

[Rob1]

And to those who voted LP for the worst band:
"You can say what you have to say, cause my mind is made up anyway..."

10 points to the first person to tell me where that is from.

The High Road
Fort Minor


Mmmmmm...points...

[LilMar_K]

10 points to Rob1 :D

[Edward_Miller]

Linkin Park had the 2nd biggest event of change. Changing the sound of the music is 1 step away from the craziest thing a band can do Selling out like Fall out boy is the worst.

[Rob1]

Linkin Park had the 2nd biggest event of change. Changing the sound of the music is 1 step away from the craziest thing a band

Worse than remaining stagnant and irrelevant?

[supsupxxdurg]

..& besides, fall out boy was never good. XD

(IMO, because goodness forbid we have some weird FOB lovers here.)

[ZARAcutie]

wrong thread but too bad ill just post it anyways http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/8M7OcUnL2LY/
check it out mike sayin Chinese lulz

[watsernamekatchich]

(IMO, because goodness forbid we have some weird FOB lovers here.)


yes we do have...and imoneofthem eep! there, i said it! i like dome of their songs but that doesnt mean i go 'teeny' over them...

[Nor_Alex]

What The Hell ? ?!? ?!

[mau_mon_san]

What The Hell ? ?!? ?!

exactly!!! what the hell...

[IceMaryJane]

what ????? o.O
*dies*

[Jen_1012]

I never read 'best or worst' reviews, because they're just a bunch of other people's opinions. We've all got our own views and prospects, so saying which bands rocked and which bands sucked is a never-ending battle.

[HungDuyTran]

They wanted to be noticed :D

[welcome2mv]

dont trust them.Avenged Sevenfold in both Best and Worst bands.

it s stupid

[maria_shinoda]

this is senseless,first of all we all know LP isn't the 2 worst band ,LP should the best band.and the other reason this is wrong is because of avenged sevenfold is in the first place like the best band and in the third place like the worst band,i mean a band can't be the best and the worst at the same time.so i think that list is senseless

[California_Castaway]

this is senseless,first of all we all know LP isn't the 2 worst band ,LP should the best band.and the other reason this is wrong is because of avenged sevenfold is in the first place like the best band and in the third place like the worst band,i mean a band can't be the best and the worst at the same time.so i think that list is senseless
It's an opinion.

No band can be the "best"
No band can be the "worst"

[Rob1]

No band can be the "worst"

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=yN9UT2zF8c8

THIS band is the worst. No question. Worst ever.

[Liquorice]

I just think its really mean to do a worst band of the year award. Even if you don't like a particular band there are other people who do. And good on them for getting out there and giving it a go - even if you don't like them.

[California_Castaway]

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=yN9UT2zF8c8

THIS band is the worst. No question. Worst ever.
Hahaha, that's a good laugh.
I can't say it's the worst if I laugh at it

[jajabinks]

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=yN9UT2zF8c8

THIS band is the worst. No question. Worst ever.

wow, i love the random drum beats, haha :D

[WookieBastard]

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=yN9UT2zF8c8

THIS band is the worst. No question. Worst ever.

The influences of that band: Phoebe (friends)

[The_Dragon_of_Twilight]

I just think its really mean to do a worst band of the year award. Even if you don't like a particular band there are other people who do. And good on them for getting out there and giving it a go - even if you don't like them.

I totally agree, I think that announcing someone else sucks at something is just horrible.

[IceMaryJane]

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=yN9UT2zF8c8

THIS band is the worst. No question. Worst ever.

Oh My Ears ..... :eek: if they think this is music ,well it is
definitely NOT it is just a random played instruments + some pathetic kind of singing

[maria_shinoda]

The influences of that band: Phoebe (friends)

i agree,XD.now i'm thinking about how would it be a version of smelly cat(the most famous song of phoebe),made by LP...lols

[Treviun]

Oh My Ears ..... :eek: if they think this is music ,well it is
definitely NOT it is just a random played instruments + some pathetic kind of singing

Wow! I don't think my ears can bleed any more than they already have!

[IceMaryJane]

i agree,XD.now i'm thinking about how would it be a version of smelly cat(the most famous song of phoebe),made by LP...lols

it its made by LP ist gonna be a hit :D

[Pazi_Pas_Ujeda]

Who cares what some people say....We know that LP are the best ever, and every song is a HIT !!!!


Am I right, or not???

[IceMaryJane]

Who cares what some people say....We know that LP are the best ever, and every song is a HIT !!!!


Am I right, or not???
Damn, You are right :)

[California_Castaway]

Who cares what some people say....We know that LP are the best ever, and every song is a HIT !!!!


Am I right, or not???
Does that mean I shouldn't care what you just said? o.O
They're good, but not the best in my taste.
I really don't like Crawling or Shadow Of The Day

[IceMaryJane]

Does that mean I shouldn't care what you just said? o.O
They're good, but not the best in my taste.
I really don't like Crawling or Shadow Of The Day

Everyone have their own opinion about LP`s Music,and everyone sees it differently ,so I think it is pointless to argue "who liked what song"...

[Moridin]

...at least according to Ultimate Guitar's Best And Worst Bands Of 2007

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/columns/features/you_be_the_judge_ultimate_guitars_best_and_worst_b ands_of_2007.html



What the hell is wrong?Just because MTM wasn't a huge success, it doesn't mean they're suddenly on the same list as FOB, right?

It amazes me that anyone actually pays attention to these "best and worst" polls and lists. Theres really nothing in them. You like what you like, what does it matter if someone doesnt like the same?

[California_Castaway]

Everyone have their own opinion about LP`s Music,and everyone sees it differently ,so I think it is pointless to argue "who liked what song"...
Yeah, I was just joking on that first part =P

[Kaileena]

Don't worry what an article says, it's your opinion about a band that matters, not theirs

[elta15]

i think you aren't right in your head... :D i think so.

[SiriusLPer]

I like cheese.

[elta15]

;) LP rules, YOU ROCCCKKKKKKKK.....
AND IT ISN'T OUR PROBLEM THAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE PROBLEMS...
DON'T CARE...

[how did you post that nice pic :D ]

[Kaileena]

i think you aren't right in your head... :D i think so.

Me? Or the website? :confused:

[elta15]

:rolleyes: :) :cool: Damn, You are right :)

[Pazi_Pas_Ujeda]

Each Person hire has right, on some way... I just say : " De gustibus non est disputandum " !!!!


“There’s no accounting for taste.”
And our taste is LP !!!!!


Now i have right 100 %....
hehhee....

[Treviun]

Watch, I'm going to be the worlds best psychic! You won't be able to argue my predictions because you know it will be true...

I predict that...

- The LPU 2008 CD will contain at least one new song (see my other thread for details)

- Mike Shinoda will impress the world with his amazing art skillz (soo good it's spelled with a "z") again!

- Linkin Park will do an outstanding job in concert

[WookieBastard]

Watch, I'm going to be the worlds best psychic! You won't be able to argue my predictions because you know it will be true...

I predict that...

- The LPU 2008 CD will contain at least one new song (see my other thread for details)

- Mike Shinoda will impress the world with his amazing art skillz (soo good it's spelled with a "z") again!

- Linkin Park will do an outstanding job in concert

those are not predictions, those are facts.

[Liquorice]

Hehe I have to agree with Wookie - they are facts.

Yes Linkin Park are fucking awesome in concert!!!

[Treviun]

I know their facts, but surprisingly that's what a lot of psychic state...that's why people think that they can predict the future, but in fact, they have just stated facts. :P

I just realized it, the evil monkeys have taken over our minds and have derailed the thread :P

[MegaManX2]

Watch, I'm going to be the worlds best psychic! You won't be able to argue my predictions because you know it will be true...

I predict that...

- The LPU 2008 CD will contain at least one new song (see my other thread for details)

- Mike Shinoda will impress the world with his amazing art skillz (soo good it's spelled with a "z") again!

- Linkin Park will do an outstanding job in concert


2nd "-"

Mike Shinoda is a great artist, but then again what does that have to do with the fact MTM sucked from a technical standpoint? It's like they went Nu-metal 1.5. It still can't compare to it's roots.

3rd "-"

Hmm.. *looks at Linkin Parks track record when it comes to live concerts.* **thinks** *Looks at Iron Maiden's track record when it comes to live concerts*

Three guitars (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWkezoe1hzg) harmonizing... now.. that's AWESOME.


Man.. Linkin Park surely needs to pick up the game.

Before you comment this post, be sure to watch that whole youtube video and then ask me if Linkin Park has ever done anything like that ;). That's a true definition of Rock right there.

[TS_AlLBANIA_ForgotteN]

Hehe I have to agree with Wookie - they are facts.

Yes Linkin Park are fucking awesome in concert!!!
Yep those are facts...

Anyway...why are we still posting in this pointless thread ?

[WookieBastard]

I know their facts, but surprisingly that's what a lot of psychic state...that's why people think that they can predict the future, but in fact, they have just stated facts. :P

I just realized it, the evil monkeys have taken over our minds and have derailed the thread :P

actually, i know an old lady that reads the cards and is never mistaken. She's 84 now, began reading cards at 18 and has developed a new way to interpret them. She's never wrong.

[Treviun]

Well Megaman, it's not technical skill that apart, it's their blend of music from various "genres" that makes them great.

Albania, I have no clue why we are posting here :P!

Wookie, I suggest you spy on her and see if she is really psychic *cue mission impossible music*

[IceMaryJane]

Yeah, I was just joking on that first part =P

hah sorry didn`t understood you were joking :D

[MegaManX2]

Well Megaman, it's not technical skill that apart, it's their blend of music from various "genres" that makes them great.

That surely was lacking in this album. The only song I really saw this was in "Bleed it out" that for me defined Linkin Park maturing up their style, the rest of the stuff in that album was a cheap attempt at them being something they aren't.

I love Hybrid Theory because it is the essence of Linkin Park.
I love Reanimation because it's Hybrid Theory from another perspective; instrumentally and lyrically.

I like Meteora because at least they stayed to their roots but they didn't "enhance" instead they got themselves more water down.

I dislike Minutes to Midnight because they tried to go into too many directions at the same time.

It's like we were begging kicking and crying for linkin park to do solo's since the last one we ever had was With You in hybrid theory. Instead we get "In Pieces" a very small solo which.. was good but the song felt to.. empty perhaps because Mike was missing in majority of these things. And in reality.. without Mike, what the hell is Linkin Park anyways?

I ain't riding on Mike because I am a "fanatic" of him or something, is just I know the reason why Linkin Park was so good was because of the shit Mike had compiled over the years. I got a much better kick from Fort Minor - The Rising Tied than I did with Minutes to Midnight and if that's happening, something is definitely wrong with Linkin Park.

There was times in Meteora where I wanted Mike to harmonize with Chester because it happened in Papercut yet when did we see that again? Now we got a new album and it's like "let's seperate what makes us good and make a bunch of new shit and see if the kids are happy with us maturing". It's like they made it their mission to prove everyone wrong, just like they made it their mission in meteora to continue the formula. It's like they just don't get it, they need to take a break fucking come back and just pull out the fire they brought out when Hybrid Theory came out. No gimmicks, no crazy producers, no trying to outdo their previous album. Just come out and hit em with the shit they feel is right.

Let's not forget Mr.Hahn another essence of linkin park that was lacking in that album. I definitely agree with Ultimate-Guitars review on this, there are far better albums compared to what linkin park put out with Minutes to Midnight, this is why I mentioned the Iron Maiden. If I wanted "heavy metal" or something near that sound I'd go with them. Now if I wanted what Linkin Park offers which is like alternative rock, why the fuck did we not get it in this album? Obviously I can't think of any other band that can match Hybrid Theory's caliber in the way it was composed.

[Moridin]

Mike to harmonize with Chester because it happened in Papercut yet when did we see that again? Now we got a new album and it's like "let's seperate what makes us good and make a bunch of new shit and see if the kids are happy with us maturing". It's like they made it their mission to prove everyone wrong, just like they made it their mission in meteora to continue the formula. It's like they just don't get it, they need to take a break fucking come back and just pull out the fire they brought out when Hybrid Theory came out. No gimmicks, no crazy producers, no trying to outdo their previous album. Just come out and hit em with the shit they feel is right.

Let's not forget Mr.Hahn another essence of linkin park that was lacking in that album. I definitely agree with Ultimate-Guitars review on this, there are far better albums compared to what linkin park put out with Minutes to Midnight, this is why I mentioned the Iron Maiden. If I wanted "heavy metal" or something near that sound I'd go with them. Now if I wanted what Linkin Park offers which is like alternative rock, why the fuck did we not get it in this album? Obviously I can't think of any other band that can match Hybrid Theory's caliber in the way it was composed.

"Just come out and hit em with the shit they feel is right"
Pay attention, this is exactly what they did with MTM. They wrote what they felt. But if you dont like it I guess they're wrong and didn't really write what they felt.:rolleyes:

"Now if I wanted what Linkin Park offers which is like alternative rock"
LP have alot more to offer than just "Alternative Rock". Stop trying to box them in.

[MegaManX2]

"Just come out and hit em with the shit they feel is right"
Pay attention, this is exactly what they did with MTM. They wrote what they felt. But if you dont like it I guess they're wrong and didn't really write what they felt.:rolleyes:

Lyrically yes they went with that. "instrumentally" no that was them trying to fade away from nu metal and that being a horrible attempt at it. You know instruments are as important as the words. Those 2 go hand and hand.


"Now if I wanted what Linkin Park offers which is like alternative rock"
LP have alot more to offer than just "Alternative Rock". Stop trying to box them in.

You taking that personal now? We can't "box" linkin park? What you think they are the great all mighty band that don't fall in some sort of genre? Plz.. You rather me just say "they are nu-metal" and they definitely aren't rap-core. I think saying "Alternative Rock" puts them in a nice spot. Linkin Park ain't no damn Nirvana to be cooking up some new genre. I am sorry if you are taking that as an offense you got too much Linkin Park pride running in your veins, shouldn't even be giving opinions if you aren't going to be open minded in the first place.

Either you enhance your sound *which rarely happens with bands nowdays* or you go take a different route which is when the band starts to go sour and we get jack shit.

Obviously it seems you weren't around when all the heat / pressure / linkin park had been taking from these boards over the years so you can fully comprehend this album was an attempt at pleasing the haters that continue to trash hybrid theory / meteora / and all the stuff prior MTM. In fact i've seen alot of positive "reviews" but I really haven't been seeing alot of fans parading MTM the way they were parading the other 2 albums.

And if there was a poll right now, I bet majority would pick Hybrid Theory as the better album. If I am correct, that's not really "enhancing" or having alot to offer, the best that they offered was the first album. Good bands find ways to better outdo the old stuff, and I have yet to see Linkin Park manage that feat.

I can't help to notice how you brushed away the rest of my previous post and just picked out what bothered you :). Next time read through the whole thing before you write little bullshit that upsets your feelings =D

[California_Castaway]

Lyrically yes they went with that. "instrumentally" no that was them trying to fade away from nu metal and that being a horrible attempt at it.



You taking that personal now? We can't "box" linkin park? What you think they are the great all mighty band that don't fall in some sort of genre? Plz.. You rather me just say "they are nu-metal" and they definitely aren't rap-core. I think saying "Alternative Rock" puts them in a nice spot. Linkin Park ain't no damn Nirvana to be cooking up some new genre. I am sorry if you are taking that as an offense you got too much Linkin Park pride running in your veins, shouldn't even be giving opinions if you aren't going to be open minded in the first place.

Hey Hey Hey! Leave Nirvana out of this! =] =P But seriously, grunge, is grunge.

But hey, I agree with you, they strayed too far.
I LOVED the album at first, but I grew out of it, and right back into the old stuff.
I know some people on here will say "Well rather be new than the same old stuff"
But it's fine to be new.
I mean look at Bleed It Out.
It has the old LP taste, but a new feeling to it.

[MegaManX2]

Hey Hey Hey! Leave Nirvana out of this! =] =P But seriously, grunge, is grunge.

But hey, I agree with you, they strayed too far.
I LOVED the album at first, but I grew out of it, and right back into the old stuff.
I know some people on here will say "Well rather be new than the same old stuff"
But it's fine to be new.
I mean look at Bleed It Out.
It has the old LP taste, but a new feeling to it.

Thank you! If Minutes to Midnight would've been more "bleed it out" in the way that they enhance their sound, man that album would of rocked. And if you catch all the interviews they always "emphasize" how "Bleed it out" is the song that represents the old them with the "new" sound. Then the rest of the album is just a bunch of random crap that I just can't say "hey that's linkin park!" it's like.. linkin park lost in the woods lol.


Don't worry I ain't got anything against my boy Kurt Cobain, that's another genius right there ;).

[California_Castaway]

Thank you! If Minutes to Midnight would've been more "bleed it out" in the way that they enhance their sound, man that album would of rocked. And if you catch all the interviews they always "emphasize" how "Bleed it out" is the song that represents the old them with the "new" sound. Then the rest of the album is just a bunch of random crap that I just can't say "hey that's linkin park!" it's like.. linkin park lost in the woods lol.


Don't worry I ain't got anything against my boy Kurt Cobain, that's another genius right there ;).
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, I respect their change, and you gotta admit, they did a good job changing.
But it's not hard to use the same ingrediants but still spice it up to taste differently.

Good! =P Haha

[WookieBastard]

stop dudes, let me read and we'll discuss together... gimme 5

[MegaManX2]

stop dudes, let me read and we'll discuss together... gimme 5


ok ok we wait for you wookie xD

[MegaManX2]

Yeah, exactly.
I mean, I respect their change, and you gotta admit, they did a good job changing.
But it's not hard to use the same ingrediants but still spice it up to taste differently.

Good! =P Haha

Yup. I respect it as well they tried I gotta admit, I just don't know why the decided to branch off so far.

I have my hope *final hope* that the next album is them trying to harness this "change" this change was too wild in minutes to midnight, it had no flow or structure it was just.. "random" it had linkin park in there but.. just.. maybe this was their little "phase" chapter. Who knows.

[California_Castaway]

Yup. I respect it as well they tried I gotta admit, I just don't know why the decided to branch off so far.

I have my hope *final hope* that the next album is them trying to harness this "change" this change was too wild in minutes to midnight, it had no flow or structure it was just.. "random" it had linkin park in there but.. just.. maybe this was their little "phase" chapter. Who knows.
Yeah.
Too big and wild of a jump from Meteora to MtM

[WookieBastard]

Megaman, you talk about them improving "Lyrically"? I tried hard to look for some maturity in the lyrics but i still can't find any. The only significant change is that they have stepped out of that introverted point of view of their past albums and started looking into a wider specter of subjects to talk about. But what, does that make them mature? no... the words they use, are still simple and do not hide any more meaning than the one written on paper. I don't see maturity in that aspect, as persons and as a band.

Now, "instrumentally"... there wasn't a significant improvement either. And I agree with you when you say that what u dislike most about this album is that they chose different styles but didn't commit to any of those, or something like that... that's what i dislike of the album too. Sounds like one of those cds i used to make for long journeys or something.... a bunch of songs that sound "good" but they have nothing to do with each other. However you bash on In Pieces... is that song REALLY bad to you? In my opinion is the one song that condenses what MTM is about. That's the "freshest" song in the album to LP... primarily because of the guitar parts, which isn't enough... but still, they just got a song there that is unique compared to what other bands are doing. I don't want them to do new metal or whatever... i just want them to sound original like they did.

And about the "boxing" LP into some style. Alternative Rock/Metal... what is that? it's nothing... critics label bands under that genre when they don't know how to explain it in other words. Thousands of bands are classified into Alternative Rock that have absolutely nothing to do with each other. And a style, to be a style, necessarily must have some constants for it to be identified. So numetal, rapcore and alternative metal or rock do not apply. However, numetal/rapcore could explain a bit more what they're all about... there's no way to label LP. That was what i liked about them. Now with MTM, you can't label them under a certain style... but you can go and say: that song sounds like this band, that other song sounds like this other band, and stuff like that... so LP has compromised their originality greatly in my opinion.

And if there was a poll right now, I bet majority would pick Hybrid Theory as the better album. If I am correct, that's not really "enhancing" or having alot to offer, the best that they offered was the first album. Good bands find ways to better outdo the old stuff, and I have yet to see Linkin Park manage that feat.

I think their best album is Reanimation... and that was an amazing example of a band outdoing their old stuff. To this day, i really doubt LP will top Reanimation tho... specially now, with all the MTM thing.

[MegaManX2]

Megaman, you talk about them improving "Lyrically"? I tried hard to look for some maturity in the lyrics but i still can't find any. The only significant change is that they have stepped out of that introverted point of view of their past albums and started looking into a wider specter of subjects to talk about. But what, does that make them mature? no... the words they use, are still simple and do not hide any more meaning than the one written on paper. I don't see maturity in that aspect, as persons and as a band.

You got a point there. From that standpoint and the way you explained it, I have to agree with you. I was saying it from the stand poin from before that in terms of the "topic" yes they moved on but you are right, maturing was not the term to be used.


Now, "instrumentally"... there wasn't a significant improvement either. And I agree with you when you say that what u dislike most about this album is that they chose different styles but didn't commit to any of those, or something like that... that's what i dislike of the album too. Sounds like one of those cds i used to make for long journeys or something.... a bunch of songs that sound "good" but they have nothing to do with each other. However you bash on In Pieces... is that song REALLY bad to you? In my opinion is the one song that condenses what MTM is about. That's the "freshest" song in the album to LP... primarily because of the guitar parts, which isn't enough... but still, they just got a song there that is unique compared to what other bands are doing. I don't want them to do new metal or whatever... i just want them to sound original like they did.

If I came off like I was batching "In Pieces" I apologize. All I was stating was the mere fact that we finally got a solo after 2 albums later. It is a good song and reminds me a lot of "Breaking The Habit" in terms of sound but where was Mike or Hahn? Perhaps I wouldn't be making this statement if the previous statement was satisfied but since that never happen then that is why I am making this judgement call.


And about the "boxing" LP into some style. Alternative Rock/Metal... what is that? it's nothing... critics label bands under that genre when they don't know how to explain it in other words. Thousands of bands are classified into Alternative Rock that have absolutely nothing to do with each other. And a style, to be a style, necessarily must have some constants for it to be identified.

I agree with you here. Constants is the keyword you mention there.

So numetal, rapcore and alternative metal or rock do not apply. However, numetal/rapcore could explain a bit more what they're all about... there's no way to label LP. That was what i liked about them.

While there is no way to label LP , at some point if they kept going they could've had their own genre. There has to be a pretty god damn reason why millions and millions of fans flocked that Hybrid Theory album when it first came out. Which brings back to the statement you made earlier "constants". Obviously with MTM now that is out of the picture. Unless the make up for it in the next album. The only label we could've come up with was the one you mentioned but it's a combination of 2 genre's.


Now with MTM, you can't label them under a certain style... but you can go and say: that song sounds like this band, that other song sounds like this other band, and stuff like that... so LP has compromised their originality greatly in my opinion.

Word son!


I think their best album is Reanimation... and that was an amazing example of a band outdoing their old stuff. To this day, i really doubt LP will top Reanimation tho... specially now, with all the MTM thing.

Thank you! I am not the only one then that thinks Reanimation is by far the better album of them all lol. And people hate it because it has rap... if they were to listen to the lyrics.. they'd appreciate the hell out of that album. Too bad they let the reviews control the way they do things. This is why I felt that MTM was a them pleasing the haters. I haven't seen them again "hitting us" with something that just came out of the heart and soul as a band. =/

[toucanspam]

You got a point there. From that standpoint and the way you explained it, I have to agree with you. I was saying it from the stand poin from before that in terms of the "topic" yes they moved on but you are right, maturing was not the term to be used.



If I came off like I was batching "In Pieces" I apologize. All I was stating was the mere fact that we finally got a solo after 2 albums later. It is a good song and reminds me a lot of "Breaking The Habit" in terms of sound but where was Mike or Hahn? Perhaps I wouldn't be making this statement if the previous statement was satisfied but since that never happen then that is why I am making this judgement call.



I agree with you here. Constants is the keyword you mention there.



While there is no way to label LP , at some point if they kept going they could've had their own genre. There has to be a pretty god damn reason why millions and millions of fans flocked that Hybrid Theory album when it first came out. Which brings back to the statement you made earlier "constants". Obviously with MTM now that is out of the picture. Unless the make up for it in the next album. The only label we could've come up with was the one you mentioned but it's a combination of 2 genre's.



Word son!



Thank you! I am not the only one then that thinks Reanimation is by far the better album of them all lol. And people hate it because it has rap... if they were to listen to the lyrics.. they'd appreciate the hell out of that album. Too bad they let the reviews control the way they do things. This is why I felt that MTM was a them pleasing the haters. I haven't seen them again "hitting us" with something that just came out of the heart and soul as a band. =/

Good Answer!

[_FaiNt_]

I think Hands Held High is a prime example to how mature their lyrics are.

[WookieBastard]

If I came off like I was batching "In Pieces" I apologize. All I was stating was the mere fact that we finally got a solo after 2 albums later. It is a good song and reminds me a lot of "Breaking The Habit" in terms of sound but where was Mike or Hahn? Perhaps I wouldn't be making this statement if the previous statement was satisfied but since that never happen then that is why I am making this judgement call.

I understand what you mean. One thing with MTM is that it seems like if instead of trying to improve or develop their stuff, they just chose an easier direction. It was bold move to change their older style into this MTM style, however, they would have risked a lot by continuing with their older style. If they continued with the "LP style" they knew they it was going to be hard, to make a record even better than the ones before. Perhaps they could have accomplished it, ASP for example, that was a sample of what the LP sound could sound if they put their minds into it... but instead, they chose the MTM way, it was risky, but a lot easier. A 3rd album with no significant evolution to their past sound would have blast them into oblivion at the speed of light.



While there is no way to label LP , at some point if they kept going they could've had their own genre. There has to be a pretty god damn reason why millions and millions of fans flocked that Hybrid Theory album when it first came out. Which brings back to the statement you made earlier "constants". Obviously with MTM now that is out of the picture. Unless the make up for it in the next album. The only label we could've come up with was the one you mentioned but it's a combination of 2 genre's.


I agree however, if in their next album they come up with songs resembling to their old style... that'd be pathetic and it'd only prove they are just a bunch of pussies wanting to get hold of every single cent we carry in our pockets. I think they'll keep changing, their style now is "not-having-a-style" i fear that from now on, their albums will be like listening to the radio. A bunch of sticky songs... and just that. I hope i'm mistaken.


Thank you! I am not the only one then that thinks Reanimation is by far the better album of them all lol. And people hate it because it has rap... if they were to listen to the lyrics.. they'd appreciate the hell out of that album. Too bad they let the reviews control the way they do things.

Actually, at least for the reviews i've read, people seem to have loved Reanimation. It was the best reviewed album LP has made till now... but the fact that they're remixes, that's why its underrated. LP themselves seem to ignore it... they did it and completely forgot it... have you heard the remixes they did for WID for example?... they sound so amateurish and boring, it doesn't seem that they're done by the same people that did Reanimation and (and in Mike's case) Enjoy The Silence Remix, which was outstanding compared to all the other remixes that filled those 3 cds.

This is why I felt that MTM was a them pleasing the haters. I haven't seen them again "hitting us" with something that just came out of the heart and soul as a band. =/

MTM didn't pleased the haters... it proved them right which is more painful.


I think Hands Held High is a prime example to how mature their lyrics are.

Hands Held High is one of the best songs in the album yeah. It probably has the most powerful verse on all of LP's songs, that's for sure.

[Treviun]

HOLY $@#*!! You guys write so damn much! My Turn!

Anyways, I don't think that Linkin Park is considered Alternative rock. I say this because they include many other elements from other "genres" such as hip-hop and pop (yes, I mean the music of the abyss). I don't think you're boxing them, I just think that you are labeling them according to your tastes.

Minutes to Midnight is a great album and gives an excellent example of how a band can put their heart and soul into creating music that isn't too bad (hey, I personally like Minutes to Midnight...but I've always liked all their albums so... :P). They created music from each of the genres they each liked and put them together to form Minutes to Midnight.

Also, I noticed that some people are calling Minutes to Midnight a "complete disaster" and a "failure". I don't see how Minutes to Midnight was bad, it brought in many new fans (presumably) and broadened their musical experience.

On another note, solos aren't so important to a band's success. It is entirely possible to create amazing music without any solos at all (look at Linkin Park's previous albums). I wouldn't mind hearing a solo now and then, but not having one doesn't make the band worse!

I do have to agree with the fact that the WID remix sounds different from the reanimation remix...but the Enjoy The Silence sounds like Reanimation work!

Finally, the band has stated that they wanted to try something different from what they've done previously. The didn't want to make a "trilogy". Also, the new album was made under a new music director (Rubin or something like that).

[utopiainwonderland]

I think LP misunderstood the meaning of "maturing".Fans should respect their effort in creating something new instead of making a trilogy.But MTM to me is not maturing either musically or lyrically,but rather creating something completely different from their previous albums.By doing this,LP gained a few fans but dissapointed a LOT of fans.(including me at first when I listened to MTM)

[Old_LP_Fan]

What A Good Tread!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[utopiainwonderland]

Old_LP_Fan,does that mean you agree that LP is the #2 worst band of 2007?

[Old_LP_Fan]

Old_LP_Fan,does that mean you agree that LP is the #2 worst band of 2007?

Its is dude!!!! ... :mad:

[MichaelJP]

It's just criticizm, it won't change anything. So let them say what they like. LP is still going, so words like those won't do anything.

[HappyDay]

happy day:p

[bunny_bennoda2508]

I think LP misunderstood the meaning of "maturing".Fans should respect their effort in creating something new instead of making a trilogy.But MTM to me is not maturing either musically or lyrically,but rather creating something completely different from their previous albums.By doing this,LP gained a few fans but dissapointed a LOT of fans.(including me at first when I listened to MTM)


agree about "Fans should respect their effort in creating something new instead of making a trilogy...."

but "LP misunderstood the meaning of "maturing"." :confused: It's REALLY matureness

[MissNatalie1984]

well everyone's entitled to their own opinion, even magazine journalists...

but their opinion sucks :p

[JeLLy_92]

Linkin Park #2 Worst Band Of 2007 ? Hey today isn't 1/4! Stop kidding guys... i wanna kill ya =.="

[I_B_Long]

well everyone's entitled to their own opinion, even magazine journalists...

but their opinion sucks :p

thats what i think. everyone is entitled to their opinion, but the only opinion that really matters to me is my own.

[Isandula]

Lol 2nd worst band of 2007, surely they are high on drugs or something? There a numerous no make that tonns more worse bands, they didnt really do there homework did they. Sure shows how much effort they put in; its good to have your own opinion but then there is the point where its just pure dribble with no value :rolleyes:

[axrinekey]

The website's really weird!

LP NO.2 WORST BAND?!
AVENGED SEVENFOLD NO.3 WORST BAND?!
MCR NO.4 WORST BAND?!

You gotta be kidding me.
And i wonder who are the voters? o_o

[Joannam88]

pf, please, people just don't get the music... and don't have taste, but frankly I don't care what bunch of kids think about LP 'cuz the band is world acknowledged

[sleuth_sayer]

I suppose writing that was a good marketing ploy, eh?

Tis why I dont read/listen to these musical asshats.

[Shadow_of_A_Doubt]

That is stupid. Linkin Park was awesome this year! I also think that it is stupid that Fall Out Boy, MCR and Green Day are on there. I love those bands. FOB's Infinitely on High was good and WELCOME TO THE Black Parade is like my second favorite album I own. Who cares if it's emo are not?!?! As for Green Day they haven't been around AT ALL! Atleast it's only people's opinion and not something official.

[Giffy]

different people, different thoughts. don't give a f*ck :p i love them the way they are, i love them no matter what the others say & i will support them as long as i can breathe

[rabbititus]

Wooooo rejoice!






















Seriously though, just read that thing for laughs and forget it.

[cloudscream]

another "i-hate-mainstream-bands list"..
seriously, there are many idiots out there with stupid prejudices to mainstream bands and more stupid overrating of "non-mainstream/indie/noone-knows-them-other-than-me" bands.. really stupid.

edit: everyone's free to show off their prized opinion, but it's a fact that idiots (like the one who made that ranking) do exist.

[aravind221]

they r really useless and crap ,people who say linkin park is a worst band and they are a big a**:mad:

mike gives u the answer those who say lp is worst band:p

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b127/EDarkWallpaperArt/Linkin%20Park/l_e2943e08857073b6bf19f231b1c0f9bb.jpg

[Nazami]

That is stupid. Linkin Park was awesome this year! I also think that it is stupid that Fall Out Boy, MCR and Green Day are on there. I love those bands. FOB's Infinitely on High was good and WELCOME TO THE Black Parade is like my second favorite album I own. Who cares if it's emo are not?!?! As for Green Day they haven't been around AT ALL! Atleast it's only people's opinion and not something official.

WOuld the world be fun if everybody has the same? Nop.. different opinions make each person different from the others.

different people, different thoughts. don't give a f*ck :p i love them the way they are, i love them no matter what the others say & i will support them as long as i can breathe

Same for me :D


Seriously though, just read that thing for laughs and forget it.

Exactly, ignore the assholes, they dont deserve our frustation.



[B]mike gives u the answer those who say lp is worst band

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b127/EDarkWallpaperArt/Linkin%20Park/l_e2943e08857073b6bf19f231b1c0f9bb.jpg
Hell Yeah!!!!! Mike owns those musical noobs :cool: