View Full Version : Did you notice that in Hand Held High...
spinmaster16
05-18-2007, 01:43 PM
In Hands Held High Mike rap about a RED book with a BROKED spin. And the cd/dvd special edition has mostly red on it and a spine that is hard to read. Did you notice that?
DMCMaster550
05-18-2007, 01:45 PM
wow i didnt notice that, apparently the special edition is designed with that song in mind lolz
walking_dead
05-18-2007, 01:46 PM
no. I haven't noticed that x>
Ultra_Violet_Kosh
05-18-2007, 01:51 PM
Mine doesnt have any red on it and the spine is fine to read. lol
LinkinPete
05-18-2007, 02:00 PM
Mine doesnt have any red on it and the spine is fine to read. lol
mine´s also black..
on the back, was there a quote inside?
"When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die?"
walking_dead
05-18-2007, 02:04 PM
on the back, was there a quote inside?
"When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die?"
hm..no quotes on the back.
ZServ
05-18-2007, 02:05 PM
i have the red text spine but not the quote :O
Mr_Hell
05-18-2007, 02:08 PM
and whats that spine thing on the album??
ZServ
05-18-2007, 02:17 PM
Red text on the spine: http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/8153/picture44tc5.jpg
Ultra_Violet_Kosh
05-18-2007, 02:19 PM
hmmm interesting, mine is simply gray i think. Im colourblind so im not too sure.
Ppr_Kut
05-18-2007, 03:43 PM
Red text on the spine: http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/8153/picture44tc5.jpg
Mine is like that too.
LinkinPete
05-20-2007, 01:10 AM
just thought, that is koran(or is it coran) red?? well, it doesn´t have to mean like some preticular book..
cloudscream
05-20-2007, 04:23 AM
well, "his brother" that is in Hands Held High maybe reads a book of communists and thats the reason for the red color. and quote "when the rich wage war it's the poor who die" is talking about communist ideals.
IndieTronic
05-20-2007, 05:50 AM
Well its simple for me as a politcal science / philosophy student ;) but youre welcome, look here:
http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/30234.html
Its actually a Quote from Jean-Paul Sartre
"
The Devil and the Good Lord (1951) is a play by French philosopher and writer Jean-Paul Sartre. The Play concerns the moral choices of its characters, warlord Goetz, clergy Heinrich, communistic leader Nasti and others during the German Peasant's War. The first act follows Goetz transformation from vicious war criminal to a "good" person of noble deeds, as during a siege of town Worms, he decides not to masscare its citizens. Sartre shows Goetz' transformation as a way to gain even more power, and to use "good" to enslave people.
"
source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Devil_and_the_Good_Lord
super_cat
05-20-2007, 01:04 PM
well, since he's talking about an iraqi child...i think he ment the Holy Quraan,it may be a quote from that play, but i'm sure that the Holy Quraan talks about that too..
linkinhand
05-20-2007, 04:28 PM
just thought, that is koran(or is it coran) red?? well, it doesn´t have to mean like some preticular book..
the qaran varies in color
EagleMorph
05-20-2007, 05:00 PM
It's not a specific book.
The phrase is a philosophical one, not bound to any religion or line of thought.
It's a common truth. Every war started by a government or religion was started by the rich. And in those wars, it's the poor who die and suffer the most. They get their cities ransacked and pillaged, bombed and set aflame.
cloudscream
05-21-2007, 12:22 AM
it's a red book.. for communists.
LinkinPark4k3
05-21-2007, 12:32 AM
Ive got a grey book with light grey text that is fine to read.
bman35
05-21-2007, 04:57 AM
"My brother had a book he would hold with pride
A little red cover with a broken spine.
In the back he hand wrote a quote inside,
when the rich wage war, it's the poor who die."
This is an obvious reference to socialist/communist thought, social conflict, class warfare, etc. I doubt the "red cover" part is meant to be taken literally, and I don't think its referring in any way to the LP special edition "book" or to any specific book for that matter since from the context of the lyrics the book the song is talking about seems to be a journal or diary of some kind.
thewind32
05-26-2007, 01:17 AM
I don't know if this has anything to do with the lyrics, but in the past, during the communist frenzy in China, the head of the communist party, Chairman Mao, distributed loads of little red books with his sayings inside. My point is, the little red book is related to communism. Something I learnt in History class, lol.
drgribb
01-11-2008, 12:03 AM
Odd that this is the only post I could find that made the same connection that I made. When I listened to the song for the first time, I immediately thought he was referencing "Mao Zedong's Little Red Book." It feels so obvious. There are similar quotes inside. Is there really no one on these boards where the first thing that came to their minds was "Mao!"?
mau_mon_san
01-11-2008, 12:49 AM
i didn't notice that...that's so keen of you to even notice that...
NoFace
01-11-2008, 02:55 AM
LOL, communism, that's what the first thing I thought about when I read HHH's lyrics. Maybe Mike has secretly joined communist party and is going to move to Soviet Americanistan!
tpbarbosa
01-11-2008, 04:51 AM
Well its simple for me as a politcal science / philosophy student ;) but youre welcome, look here:
http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/30234.html
Its actually a Quote from Jean-Paul Sartre
"
The Devil and the Good Lord (1951) is a play by French philosopher and writer Jean-Paul Sartre. The Play concerns the moral choices of its characters, warlord Goetz, clergy Heinrich, communistic leader Nasti and others during the German Peasant's War. The first act follows Goetz transformation from vicious war criminal to a "good" person of noble deeds, as during a siege of town Worms, he decides not to masscare its citizens. Sartre shows Goetz' transformation as a way to gain even more power, and to use "good" to enslave people.
"
source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Devil_and_the_Good_Lord
I didn't know that
Thanks for post it :p
VoodooGTS
01-13-2008, 05:33 AM
I noticed it after hearing the song a few times. freaky! haha
aaashley
01-13-2008, 07:17 PM
Odd that this is the only post I could find that made the same connection that I made. When I listened to the song for the first time, I immediately thought he was referencing "Mao Zedong's Little Red Book." It feels so obvious. There are similar quotes inside. Is there really no one on these boards where the first thing that came to their minds was "Mao!"?
That's what I thought too.
Pretty clever still, to relate that the lyrics to the special edition cd/dvd.. though it doesn't really work. Gray book with red text.. o_O
Hah. Well at least it got me thinking. :P
IceMaryJane
01-15-2008, 09:28 AM
When I heared HHH for the first time,
A lot of things made me thing that it is during comunism time
"People on the street they panic and start running."-here is obvious that something is disturbing the normal living to the people
"Healing the blind I promise to let the sun in"-Here I think that he is just trying to help to make the things better,or he is just being sympathetic to all those who are victims to the unfair war
"Stuttering and mumbling for nightly news to replay
and the rest of the world watching at the end of the day
in the living room laughing like "what did he say?"- Here Mike shows (or atleast as I understand from the lyrics) that the rest part of the world , just dont give a fuck what is happening ,somewhere,that people are dieing.And "watching at the end of the day in the living room laughing like "what did he say?" this shows that they just do not care "laughing" this means that they are just being disparaging.
"In my living room watching, I am not laughing,
Cause when it gets tense I know what might happen" - Here he shows that he is sympathetic to the others ,coz he knows how all those people feel.He tryied all this on his back and he have seen this with his eyes.
"There's bombs on the buses, bikes, roads,
inside your market,your shops, your clothes," - now this is the part that made me understand that this is during communism time
Sorry for the long explanations :D
elta15
01-15-2008, 01:36 PM
lol sometimes it's usefull learning history :D
TS_AlLBANIA_ForgotteN
01-20-2008, 04:03 PM
In that part he talks about comunism...it's totally obvious and visible .I've noticed since the 1st times I listend it and ever normal person would make the relation between that and The thing that Mike kept in his arm at some shows.He's just trying to say there comunism ruined the world (history lol to get that).
minuteman
01-20-2008, 04:36 PM
It's not a specific book.
The phrase is a philosophical one, not bound to any religion or line of thought.
It's a common truth. Every war started by a government or religion was started by the rich. And in those wars, it's the poor who die and suffer the most. They get their cities ransacked and pillaged, bombed and set aflame.i agree wholly with that. the whole "red cover with a broken spine" itself isn't any form of symbolism. for all we know, it could be real.
Dympna
01-20-2008, 05:46 PM
I'm completely confused by the whole Communism business.
I thought the song was relevant for today. How it is right now.
WookieBastard
01-20-2008, 05:57 PM
Bush = Capitalism, perhaps that red book thing was a reference to how (at least mike) doesn't agree with Bush's foreign policy?
I don't know, it's kind of puzzling the red book thing... i mean, Mike's Japanese what is his brother doing with a thing that's supposed to be related to Chinese? Chinese and Japanese didn't get on very well in the past.
NoFace
01-21-2008, 04:32 AM
Bush = Capitalism, perhaps that red book thing was a reference to how (at least mike) doesn't agree with Bush's foreign policy?
I don't know, it's kind of puzzling the red book thing... i mean, Mike's Japanese what is his brother doing with a thing that's supposed to be related to Chinese? Chinese and Japanese didn't get on very well in the past.
Red stands for Communism for good, not only communism in China.
This red thing is just funny, lol
Crube
01-21-2008, 08:01 AM
It's funny how a lot of you automatically assumes it has to do with Communism due to the word "red" being in the song. I was unaware it was the '70s and '80s again. :p Anyway...
For a leader so nervous in an obvious way
Stuttering and mumbling for nightly news to replay
And the rest of the world watching at the end of the day
In their living room laughing like "what did he say?"
I always thought this part was about our current President, George W. Bush and the song is about the current Administration and the War on Terror.
Dympna
01-21-2008, 04:13 PM
It's funny how a lot of you automatically assumes it has to do with Communism due to the word "red" being in the song. I was unaware it was the '70s and '80s again. :p Anyway...
I always thought this part was about our current President, George W. Bush and the song is about the current Administration and the War on Terror.
See, yeah I'm with you.
That part is so obvious and the only part I can't figure out is the kid his age drug under a jeep.
Crube
01-21-2008, 05:33 PM
See, yeah I'm with you.
That part is so obvious and the only part I can't figure out is the kid his age drug under a jeep.
I am going to just take it as it is really. Believe it or not, but children have been used as suicide bombers as well in the Middle East.
Arkbot
02-10-2008, 08:13 PM
Ok, so here's my interpretation of the song:
The two verses are seperate points of view. The first is from an anti-war political activist in the United States. "Healing the blind I promise to let the sun in," is him 'opening people's eyes' and 'shedding light' on the problems with the war. The last lines are obviously referring to how humorous many people find Bush, how he's pretty much a big joke.
The second verse is from the perspective of an individual who lives in a war-torn nation of the middle east, probably Iraq or Afghanistan. The lyrics reffer to suicide and road-side bombs, and the uncertainty and fear that such people live in constantly. His family doesn't know what will happen to them, when they'll get blown up or gunned down. The last lines again reffer to watching Bush on TV, but from this perspective he's a much more intimidating character. Not so funny from an Iraqi's perspective I bet.
Just my 2 cents.
Leera
02-11-2008, 12:03 PM
Ok, so here's my interpretation of the song:
The two verses are seperate points of view. The first is from an anti-war political activist in the United States. "Healing the blind I promise to let the sun in," is him 'opening people's eyes' and 'shedding light' on the problems with the war. The last lines are obviously referring to how humorous many people find Bush, how he's pretty much a big joke.
The second verse is from the perspective of an individual who lives in a war-torn nation of the middle east, probably Iraq or Afghanistan. The lyrics reffer to suicide and road-side bombs, and the uncertainty and fear that such people live in constantly. His family doesn't know what will happen to them, when they'll get blown up or gunned down. The last lines again reffer to watching Bush on TV, but from this perspective he's a much more intimidating character. Not so funny from an Iraqi's perspective I bet.
Just my 2 cents.
I`m totaly with you, thats the same way I interpreted the song!
dorito
02-12-2008, 12:47 AM
When I first heard this song, Bush and the Iraq war were the first things that came to mind. Mathew Shepard came to mind during the part when he was talking about the kid being bound to a tree.... I could be wrong, though, cause there is no other reference to to gays or anything like that anywhere else in the song... Terrific song....
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